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also rely on, like, people who have deeper knowledge of a topic. Yeah, sure. I mean, I think all politiciansare full of disinformation, whether or not it's specific to coming from a party, or coming from outside the country. For sure, that's a relevant point, I think yeah. I mean, disinformation is, inany form, in any relationship, is always a concern to me. So, yeah, I am. Oh, absolutely. I think that disinformation,intentional and malicious, are two huge problems, particularly in our online landscape. I think that, really, the onlysolution, or the only approach, is just to make sure that every person understands the risks of it, and is able to identify sources that they trust. I don't think that there's any way around it, other than just media literacy for everyday citizens. I think there needs to be checks and balances withinterference, and, you know, just doing due diligence. Definitely. Yeah. I think it's-- I don't think people arevery informed to begin with. So, like, whatever they do happen to read, if it is untrue, they're notgoing to follow-up with it later to see if it actually is verified, and they're going to do their own research. So, having it be verified, I don't think like an individualentity could probably do that. Because, like, everybody has their biases. But, disinformation is a problem. Thanks for watching thisepisode of Outburst on CPAC. If you have any comments aboutthis show, or any other show, you can find us on social media. You can also find us onoubsite ate at www.CPAC.ca. I'm Glen McInnis, and, on behalf of my colleagues at theCable Public Affairs Channel, thanks for watching. We'll see you next time. [Music] [Music Playing] [voiceover] CPAC presents "Wings of Honour", a Canadian Geographic Films documentary celebrating the 100th anniversary of the Royal Canadian Air Force. One out of every five aces in World War II from all the countries was a Canadian. I always figured the ones that never came home were the heroes. [voiceover] Featuringrarely seen archival footage and the compelling stories ofpast and present RCAF members from across Canada. You are being asked to do something, on behalf of the other 35million or 40 million people, that is very difficult andhas extremely high stakes. [voiceover] Learn how Canada's Air Force shaped history. My first trip into enemy territory left me like a man standing outside naked. I am just astounded at these young men, what they did. It's been an incredible amountof work to get to this point, more than I could have imagined. [voiceover] "Wings of Honour", an exclusive documentary premiere. See it on CPAC. [announcer] We invite you to play, What's My Line? Welcome, Mrs. Baker. Those folks over there need to guess your extraordinary occupation. Are you an entertainer Mrs. Baker? Yes. Do people come to watch you, uh, perform? [audience laughs] -Yes. Do you travel for work? [Mary Baker] Yes, I do. [woman] Do you ever wear a special type of costume? [Mary Baker] Yes. [man] Is your job, um, physical? [Mary Baker] Yes, indeed. [audience chortles] [man] Are you a member of a team? [Mary Baker] Yes. [woman] Are you aprofessional baseball player? [Mary Baker] Yes, I am. [Maureen Baker] Createdduring the Second World War, the All-American GirlsProfessional Baseball League included 68 Canadians. One of its brightest stars wasmy mother, Saskatchewan's Mary "Bonnie" Baker. A pioneer for women in sports. [Music playing]

[Music playing] [ ] >> I guess you realize I'm missing somebody sitting next to me. He is here. He's just voting right now because their allowed to vote. He'll be joining news a second unless he -- come on, minister. Did you volt yet? Do you want me to vote for you-duh vote for it? >> -- do you vote. >> I know your whip wouldn't be happy for your vote if I was voting for you. >> That's right. >> So welcome. And you're in a bit of a whirlwind tour lately. Do you know what city you're in right now? Do you feel like a rock star being all over the place with all these announcements. >> As long as I wake up with clean laundry to wear I'll do fine, but I think I'm in toronto. >> You are definitely in toronto. I know yesterday you spoke at the canadian club in ottawa. >> M'hm. >> And carol from the federation of canadian municipalities, a good friend of mine, moderated it. And I'm wondering, maybe I can give us a high-level synopsis of what you said. I know you can fill 20 minutes on that because I've seen you in action. We'll keep it to a bit of a short one to give an overview of the announcements you've been making over the last five days. >> Sure. So, like, the message yesterday to the canadian club was -- we have to acknowledge that we're in a housing crisis right now. It's having a serious impact on people at an individual and household level that we can't ignore, but it's also throttling or economic economic potential. The good news I've taken from the meetings we've had and the policies we've been rolling out recently is we can solve the housing crisis. I'm filled with a sense of optimism most dyes because I'm dealing with the people implementing -- most days -- the solutions. We need to do a few key things. With sun to build more homes by reducing the cost of home building, making it easier to build homes and changing the way that industry can actually build homes. We also need to make it easier, particularly for young people, to find a place they can afford to rent or buy, and we can't forget that we need to serve the needs of people who can't afford a place to live to ensure that everybody in this country has a roof over their head at night. If we can accomplish those three major things, we can actually solve the housing crisis and we're going to experience a collective benefit as a result. >> Very true. You set out the issue and the problem well. Cibc had a poll out yesterday, and I shared with you the results. 76% of canadians who don't own a property say that entry to the housing market feels out of reach. 76% is pretty high. You must want to do this very quickly. >> Yeah, I do. And, you know, this isn't an academic conversation for me. It's a very real thing that's impacting my friends and my family. For at least a few months longer, I'm still in my 30s, everybody I chat with who is my age and younger is rarely talking about the dream home they'll live in one day. They're more focused on whether they can actually keep the place they're renting now. We can change that. There is a deficit of hope amongst young people when it comes to the housing market today. But it doesn't have to be something that we accept. Now, there's going to be a number of people who are quite happy with the opportunity to rent a place in a livable community near the services and opportunities that they want for themselves. There will be others who want to own a home of their own where they can raise their family. And I think it's incumbent upon us to lay out a policy framework and inspire others to join us to make it a reality that people can choose their own kind of housing situation at a price that they can actually afford. So it's not lost on me that the people feel the way that they do today, but my sense is, and I think it's my job, to put us on a policy track that convinces people that they can achieve homeownership should that be something that they want. >> Practically speaking, one of the items that you've announced as get prague funding is a recommendation made by many task forces out there. That has to do with manufactured housing -- getting -- flash back to five years ago, people would think, I don't want to live if a trailer. But tell us how that has changed because there's a very big difference of opinion now. >> Well, one of the things that people -- I hope we can communicate effectively to people is that the homes that are being manufactured today don't look like the homes that that were being manufactured a number of years ago. There are apartment buildings that are being manufactured in a factory setting. There are large stand-alone single-family homes that are quite nice that are being manufactured in factories today.

I met recently with folks involved with the home manufacturing sector in sweden where almost 80% of the market is for manufactured homes and they're known domestically for producing a higher quality that's more reliable along different styles. So I hope with the introduction of a national home design catalogue we're going to be able to not just talk about what homes of the future that are manufactured in factories look like. We can actually show them to people. I've been through a number of these that exist today that are providing homes for families that are spacious. Near services and communities that are walkable to schools. That are already hooked up to infrastructure. These are very real things that exist. And it doesn't mean that you have to settle for something less than. It just means that there's going to be a different process of creating the homes that people actually wouldn't. >> Yeah, full disclosure here, both the minister and I are from nova scotia. We both went to st. Francis xavier university. I'll make an inside joke that you won't get, but it won't be wyndham park mobile home park. >> Where I lived, by the way. >> There you go. But reality -- we grew up in an area where kent home was everybody's starter home. >> Yeah. One of the thing you have to realize is these kind of homes existed for different people over different parts of our history. Kent homes was -- and remains a successful home manufacturer. After the war everyone in different parts of the country has likely seen strawberry box homes or victory homes as they were called. There's different styles that you can achieve that are designed for different family sizes. When I look actually at some of the -- hop on a website for some of the home manufacturers today and look at the designs that they're already producing in factories. It would surprise you because they look in some instances identifies well do a traditional stick-built home and you can achieve different levels of design. We need to now make sure that we're achieving a level of standardization for different kinds of designs that will achieve economies of scale, allow us to produce homes in a cost-effective and labour-efficient way so we can do it more quickly. But this is going to be a big part of the path forward. We're not saying there's not going to be traditionally built homes. We're saying we'll be able to scale up the opportunities for different kinds of homes to be manufactured in the factory setting. >> Is this going to be the sean fraser christmas wish book? Is that the equivalent of it? >> Look, it's not going to be about any one person. There's people who talked about this, who have advocated long before I have. This is going to be something that is going to change the opportunity for home builders to build homes for canadians in every part of the country. But I'm really looking forward to. >> I'm going to link that specifically to productivity because you mentioned in there about being more labour emission enters. Tell me how you are planning for better productivity with the announcements that you're making. >> So this is an enormous challenge right now that I see. In fact, it's the one that serve as the most challenging bottleneck to overcome in order to actually solve the national housing crisis. And I'm not interested at playing around the margins. This is a problem I actually think we can solve collectively. If we have the perfect set of pressures in place to reduce the cost of home building, if we have perfect municipal zoning rules in canada in every city across the country, we're going to run into a ceiling based on how many homes the canadian economy can actually produce. We're producing near record levels -- not quite at record levels, but not far off today. We need to grow the canadian home building workforce and we need to adopt new strategies to allow the workforce we have to produce more effectively. We're going to be making serious investments to train the canadian work force to have the skills necessary to build more homes. We're going to continue to use targeted immigration programmes that will help attract people with the skills that we need, that we have a deficit of in canada right now, and we're going to I believe sent vise home -- incentivize home buildings and factories so we can produce more homes with the labour we have today. The enormous opportunity that I see, it's going to create good-paying jobs for canadians. Construction is one of the industries that has the lowest cost barriers for people to get into the industry compared to the wages that workers actually earn. This is an opportunity to increase productivity, create good-paying middle-class jobs and solve a very big social problem at the same time. >> You said immigration. I'll ask you the question build immigration -- about immigration. How do you do this, how do you create more skilled workers at the same time as throttling back on immigration? >> To understand the solution I think it's important to draw a distinction between our permanent residency programmes and our temporary residency programmes. We set every year as a federal government through the immigration levels plan the total number of people who want to come and live in canada permanently and work in canada for the rest of their careers. That number in my view is in a pretty healthy spot. We are moving towards 500,000 over the next couple of years, and within that number it's common for about ballpark 40% of the people who become permanent residents, but they're already living here. They don't need a new home because they've been here for a number of years. There's an additional cohort of

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