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are not a nation, they are a terrorist organization. To in any way try to make equivalent hamas to a democratically elected israeli government, a nationstate, whether you agree or disagree with what israel is doing now, doing to defend itself from terrorist invasion from hamas, you always have to go back to that, this is not like israel being an aggressor. Israel is defending itself from a terrorist attack and to make equivalent the actions of a democratically elected government defending itself with an offensive terrorist organization is simply outrageous, as the president has said. I mean I think the president got this right. By the way, the united states has also been consistent over a long period of time and arguing that the icj does not even have jurisdiction over israel, which is something that is something that has not been addressed. So the united states position here is clear, it is unequivocal , it does go further than the canadian government has gone, but I'm going to give you the same answer I give on many things. I'm the united states ambassador to canada, I'm not an elected official in canada, it is not my position to tell canada what to do. Every nation must make its own sovereign determinations about how it wants to position itself. I'm very proud of the way the united states has positioned itself. I think the united states and the united kingdom have positioned themselves in the right way on this subject. And it's up to canada whether they would like to do the identical thing or whether they would like to do something less than what the united states and the united kingdom have done. >> Mercedes: ambassador, thank you so much for joining us today. >> Thank you for having me. >> Mercedes: up next, continuing our look at canada's justice system. We ask if there has been any change for violent repeat offenders who are out on bail. [ ] [ get your dog's tail wagging with the global news dog walking forecast! Tune in weekdays with ross hull and the canadian bros in the morning and anthony farnell and storm the weather dog at 5:30 and 6. Brought to you by ren's pets,pet food, treats, & toys for your pet's best life. There's a new Tims run in town with new Flatbread Pizza. Served hot out of the oven and freshly prepared in Chicken Parmesan, Pepperoni, Simply Cheese, and Bacon Everything. Try Tims new Flatbread Pizza. It's time for Tims [Gentle music] Seeing clearly matters. Being seen matters more. Get 40% off lenses on a complete pair purchase. Nobody Cares for EyesMore Than Pearle. Hey, I'm saving big with td Insurance for being a claims-free, hybrid-driving university grad. Wow Dave! You should have your own jingle. With over 30 ways to save nobody saves like Dave Hm! Td. Ready for you. Want some coffee, mate? Coffee'd be great. Thanks, mate. How 'bout some Coffee Mate? —Coffee, mate! —Coffee Mate? Already said I want some coffee, mate? I meant you want some Coffee Mate? Oh! I'd love some Coffee Mate with my coffee, mate. —Mate? —Mate. Crikey, that's rich and creamy coffee, mate. A delicious McWrap can be hard to put down. But with new Creamy Avocado Ranch sauce, it's even harder. So what'll it be Sarah? Juicy text, or juicy bite? Obviously. For the McWrap fans. ( ) nivea q10 Targeted Wrinkle Filler. ( ) With Pure q10 coenzyme and Bioxifill peptides. Visibly reduces the look of fine lines in 5 minutes and moisturizes to help reduce the look of deeper wrinkles over time. For every expression of you. Nivea. ( ) Ooooo! ( ) (Bip) OoOooo! ( ) Ooooo! —Ooooo! —Ooooo! —Ooooo... Have a little boooooost. ( ) There's a new Tims run in town with new Flatbread Pizza. Served hot out of the oven and freshly prepared in Chicken Parmesan, Pepperoni, Simply Cheese, and Bacon Everything. Try Tims new Flatbread Pizza. It's time for Tims [ ] [ ] >> Mercedes: bail reform is a contentious issue both inside and outside of the criminal justice system. The liberals introduced a bill in legislation amending it that came into effect earlier this year. But it is still too early to tell if it's made any difference. The amendment comes after many cases of those released on bail reoffending. But this recent case, one of the most heartbreaking, reignited the issue. A baby and two grandparents were killed on in ontario highway by

a suspect who was out on bail, driving the wrong way. To get the point of view about bail and the effect on public safety from front lines of policing, we are joined by the head of the canadian association of chiefs of police and the winnipeg police chief, one in the same, danny smyth. Thank you for joining us today chief. >> Good morning, nice to join you. >> Mercedes: this is obviously a topic that has seized a lot of headlines, a lot of really high-profile and terrible cases that we've seen on full lately of violent offences carried out by people out on bail. The government has brought in changes to the bail reforms that they have made to try to make it stricter. What is happening on the ground right now for front line officers when it comes to people who are out on bail and what you are seeing in terms of the impact on public safety? >> Well we certainy appreciate the commitment from the government to make those changes to bill c- 48 which puts a little more reverse onus provision on repeat violent offenders when it comes to bail. And those changes really only took effect late last year. So we are really in a monitoring stage right now to try to see, you know, the judicial system is independent of the police so we trust that the system will work itself the way it is supposed to be. From our perspective in policing, we are just trying to get a good gauge as to whether repeat violent offenders are in fact being released on bail or not. I can tell you from my own experience in winnipeg we see about 20% of those that were arrested for violent offences that are in fact on bail. So that will be something that collectively across the country we will try to watch now. >> Mercedes: we hear the term catch and release thrown around a lot. Could you walk us through what that looks like in terms of the practicality on the ground when police arrest somebody. What happens? >> Generally speaking when someone is arrested, it's understood that people have a right to bail. That they are released while awaiting a trial. When officers arrest someone, often they are brought into the police station or headquarters, depending on the offensive they can either be released on an appearance notice or if they need to go in front of a magistrate for bail, that generally happens on the same day. In many instances, people are released with some type of condition, bail condition, within hours of an arrest. >> Mercedes: when you are looking at what needs to happen, there has been discussion about expanding tighter bail conditions to people who are involved in auto theft. Do you think the limitation on making it more difficult to get bail, that reverse onus being for those who are violent repeat offenders only, is enough, or would you like to see that expanded to more categories? >> I think we've been very careful about how we have positioned ourselves on this. Again, respecting the fact that people have a right to bail. They are presumed innocent until they have their court proeeding. Auto theft is a different category. Generally it's a property a fence. If there's a carjacking or something like that, that would be considered a violent offences. So I think focusing in on repeat violent offenders, it's not a panacea but I think it's a good first step and then I think it respects the rights of an individual as well so that we are not denying people bail for lesser offences. So I think, again, we are monitoring this, collectively we are trying to gather data so that we can see the effects that this provision may have. It's funny, I'm in vancouver right now and I'm meeting with police chiefs from all across north america, most of the major cities are here, and it's one of the topics. Our friends down in the states are running into this very same things we are encountering here in canada around bail and bail reform requirements. >> Mercedes: chief, we appreciate your time and your insight from what it's like for officers on the ground and chiefs across the country. Thank you for joining us today. >> You are welcome, thank you. >> Mercedes: joining me now with canada's national police force point of view's deputy rcmp commissioner. Thank you so much for joining us today. I know that bail and the criminal justice system is something that you are intimately familiar with and your front-line officers deal with it all the time. We keep hearing in the headlines-about people who are out on bail , who are violent repeat offenders committing crimes. What are you seeing from the rcmp point of view in what kind of I public safety threat this creates? >> Thank you, mercedes, as you

are aware that the public, the premiers, the law enforcement community all called for reform to the bail act and that reform took place in january of this year. It was passed and started january 4th. We haven't really been able to -- we don't really have the stats for the last few months but I can tell you the serious violent repeat offenders, james smith cree nation in, between 2019 and 2022 in rcmp jurisdiction, 53% of those who committed a homicide were on some form of community release. >> Mercedes: when you see this issue, and as you mentioned it's not just bail, we talk about bail a lot but it's also parole and probation, people released back into the community on statutory release or for good behaviour in jail or in prison, which we were talking about last week on the show, there is concern about those reoffences. I think what people wonder is why is it if you are out and you violate your bail or you are out on probation or you are out on parole and you violate that that you just don't go straight back to jail again? >> Well I think there can be many different reasons for that. From small rural detachments we policed a large urban centres, we do share information with all of our law enforcement partners through the canadian police information computer, I think you are aware of that. So the information is shared with all of our partners but although that information gets uploaded and the local detachments are police service will be aware of the warrant, it is not a matter of someone always being available to go out and arrest them. Part of the issue is finding them. Sometimes bail is revoked, they are not living where they are supposed to be living, has happened with james smith cree nation, and trying to find the person can be hard sometimes. >> Mercedes: my understanding is that even if you know where they do live, there's a special kind of warrant that has to be applied. It's not as simple as the police just walking up to the door and knocking to see if someone is home and arresting them. >> That's correct. If someone is inside a dwelling, we are required to get a certain warrant to enter the house. Unless we are entering under exigency circumstances. We can go apply for that warrant and we can certainly go into the residence with the warrant to arrest them. >> Mercedes: what effect do you feel the changes that were made, not referring to the ones in january to make bail more difficult, but the initial changes made by the liberal government to have more of a default system to providing bail , have had on public safety and on crime in canada? >> I don't think I can give you a really good answer because there are so many different factors. Changes to decriminalization in british columbia, changes in oregon. But a big thing for us is those social supports. >> Mercedes: what do you think needs to happen going forward when it comes to the criminal justice system from the rcmp perspective to deal with violent repeat offenders who it seems like are out and continue, and we know this from a number of cases which have been in the headlines recently and over the recent years, to carry out violent offences, whether it is intimate partner violence, murder, assault, firearms offences, what do you see as the way forward there? >> I think we need to continue to reform the criminal justice system. This bail reform is one piece of it and we are one piece of the system. We need to continue to reform it but making sure both in custody and out of custody that those social supports are in place. I think everybody would agree there is a lack of those resources just like there's a lack of mental health supports. I think until we can start to address those issues, I think that is the only way we can help the criminal justice system because ultimately it's about making sure people are safe. >> Mercedes: rcmp deputy commissioner jodie boudreau in charge of contract, policing and indigenous policing, thank you for taking the time to talk to us today and to lay out the situation as the rcmp is experiencing it. >> Thank you for having me, mercedes. >> Mercedes: up next, there are political attacks and then there is blatant misinformation. When do political barbs go too far? [ ] [ ] Three renovation teams... ...renovate threebeach houses... ...with a little helpfrom three pros. (Announcer says words on screen) There's a new Tims run in town with new Flatbread Pizza. Served hot out of the oven and freshly prepared in Chicken Parmesan, Pepperoni, Simply Cheese, and Bacon Everything. Try Tims new Flatbread Pizza. It's time for Tims [ ] With lotto 6/49's two jackpots, what possible could you find? 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