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happen. >> Andrew: thank you. >>> Meanwhile, at the university of québec and montréal in downtown montréal, a québec superior court judge has approved at least in part an injunction the school is seeking against the pro- palestinian encampments there. Here is the from the campus. >> Reporter: in the decision by the judge, the partial injunction request says protesters need to stop locking doors, windows and let the fire department have access into the buildings. The campanile to be to metres away -- the camp needs to be two metres away so they can access the building in and out freely. I want to show you what it looks like right now. This is what it looks like it all the entrances around this part of the campus. It has been blocked off like this and this is why the injunction request was filed so these excesses that were blocked are not blocked any more. People are having trouble getting in and out of the buildings and this encampment started as a protest to the injunction request filed by mcgill against the mcgill encampments. At that time, people at this encampment were saying they would not fight people from -- wouldn't invite people to be here if the other encampment got dismantled. So people here at this encampments are calling for more measures than the other encampments. They want all universities in québec to cut ties with israel. They want the province to abolish the bureau they have in tel aviv as well. They say that they don't have any ties with israel, no firearms, no framework with israel and they say that they won't be reacting to the judgment just yet. They want to study it and see how it goes and protesters here say they are in it for the long haul and that even though the mcgill encampment is still there and still going, they are still not going down here. It is in solidarity with all the encampments across the country and all the other encampments that have still stayed standing up until this time across the world and they said they will not leave until their demands are met and police presence is here at all the entrances, at the campus, police presence is here. Police say they will not step in because they don't have authority to. They said the campus security could give tickets, but they are not allowed to do anything because that is not the injunction request and they are just here to monitor the situation and make sure everything remains safe and peaceful. >> Andrew: to talk more about this and the wider campus movement we are seeing, I want to welcome a legal commentator who is on the law faculty at the university of montréal and a partner at a law firm. I appreciate you taking the time to speak to us. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Andrew: what is your response to the judge's partial injunction at the university basically saying that the encampments that is blocking entrances or windows and such that it needs to come down? >> I think it was pretty predictable because freedom of speech is very important. It is protected by the canadian charter of rights but it has some limits. One of those limits is the security. And in that particular case, the court decided that there were some problems with windows that were blocked, with doors that were blocked as well. It is not an injunction asking for the encampment to leave, it is just a partial injunction saying, you can still protest if you like, but please do it properly. >> Natasha: please do it properly. Please find somewhere else to do it so you are not blocking exits be mac correct. >> We know the university of toronto's president said this morning that lawyers are seeking an injunction against the encampments there that they are still negotiating after that morning deadline passed. How with the threat of an injunction affect negotiations? >> It depends on where they are because it is important to remember that each and every case is unique. You cannot take the situation of mcgill and bring it to the university of toronto. It is a matter of evidence each and every time depending on the security act depending on hatred speech, if that is the case. If not, I would say that they probably have no chance to win that injunction and probably the students and other protesters like professors know that. I guess there will be no influence on the negotiation. >> Andrew: it's interesting you mention that. The university has said there have been examples of hate speech, five or six or so.

said is that kind of reach the bar that the encampment has to come down? It is somewhat like mcgill and that it is on the main campus but it is on a lawn, I don't think it is really blocking entrances or anything like that. The university has said it is not providing other people with the right to use that area because there is some fencing there. What do you make of all that? Or check freedom of speech is pretty hard to assess. It is a very subjective -- it is very subjective. Are five or six hateful messages enough to shut down the whole encampment of many hundreds of people? Probably not. If it is not a trend, I would probably predict that the court will not ask for the shutdown of the encampment. But if this is a trend, that is the other way around. >> Andrew: let's talk a little bit more about the charter. How do the courts balance protesters' rights around freedom of speech and assembly and university's property rights? >> That is a pretty good question. University campus are not classic property. In the sense that I can go take a walk at mcgill campus, I can go take a walk at the university of toronto campus tonight if I like. Likely it is open to the public. It is not like my condo here, for instance which is very, very privates. And the other thing that we need to understand is the freedom of speech is protected by the canadian charter of rights but the property rights are not, which means that in almost any case, freedom of speech should prevail over property rights on less there is some -- unless there are some limits that we talked about, like the security or the hatred speech. >> Natasha: I want to ask you another aspect of the university of toronto which you probably find interesting. There is a trespass notice by the university of toronto that also says students might be suspended and expelled, that faculty might be subject to measures up to and including termination. What do you make of that threat by the university university administrators? [ Laughter ] >> There is an expression in english, you confirm this for me, it is idle threats. >> Andrew: okay. >> This is where we are right now. Legally speaking, it doesn't make sense at all. I would say that it is very egregious of ufc -- uft to use those threats to repressive freedom of speech unless, obviously there were problems with security or hatred speech, that would be something else. But if this is not the case, you cannot suspend in anyways a student who just used his or her freedom of speech protected by the charter. And frankly, with more regards of what we think about the situation in gaza, I think that I feel very good in a way seeing that some of our youth are protesting outside to get -- to make the world better. I would be ashamed if I was getting those threats. >> What you make of that as somebody -- have we seen anything like this where a prestigious canadian university would make a threat like that to terminate professors? >> That is the first time I have heard that. As you said, there are some professors that are protesters as well. Will they fire them? Why is that? His freedom of speech still mean something in this country or not? Is that still the case that you can leave those people alone unless there is problem with security or hatred speech? >> Andrew: always great to get your insight. Thank you very much. >> Right back at you. >> Andrew: a jewish girl his school in toronto welcomed back students today after shots were fired at the building over the weekend. Police say they are looking for multiple suspects and the hate crimes unit has opened up an investigation. Earlier today, a solidarity rally took place ahead of classes. >> Reporter: the rally took place outside of the base high jewish girls school in toronto. Dozens of people gathered in the rain, some holding flags, some holding signs, one that said "you are not alone." the message from any there is

that students have a right to a safe learning environment and hate would not be tolerated in this school. Many families with children who attend the school in the city of toronto say they are shaken up after hearing about what happened over the weekend. According to police it was around 5:00 am saturday when armed suspects went to the school. They appeared to have opened fire as several gunshots hit to the school. Known was there at the time, no one was injured but suspects did leave. The toronto police dens and gangs unit and the hate crimes unit is investigating the hunt for the suspects. Today outside of the school this morning, many dignitaries as well as the mayor of toronto where they're speaking out and here is some of what was said. >> What happened here this weekend crossed a dangerous line. It was an attempt to intimidate and to isolate the wonderful people, the wonderful children here and it was a deliberate attempt to spread fear across our entire jewish community, to make us cower and hide who we are. As you can see here today, the attackers completely failed. We are more united than ever. We are more committed than ever to support each other. We are more determined than ever to fight anti-semitism wherever it happens. >> We say to this coward, these cowards, we will find you, you will be held responsible. >> Reporter: toronto's police chief was there this morning as the investigation and continued. Also assuring those in the school community that there will be stepped up police patrols in and around the school, but also in the community and at other jewish schools and synagogues throughout the city. Here's more from the principle of the school on the conversations that will be happening in class today. >> I have two groups of students. We are splitting them in half. And her students first and then the older students. We are going to have those conversations. We will discuss what happened and we will discuss moving forward how we plan to continue doing what we are doing. >> Reporter: parents also speaking out at the rally today about what things are like for the children over what happened. >> We are angry and shocked. Angry that we have to explain to our girls why this is happening and shocked it has gone this far. >> Reporter: it is not clear how long the police patrols will be stepped up around the school but they are expected to remain that way for the coming days. >> Andrew: coming up, new brunswick's premier says a sex education group is represented is content for kids and the premier is moving to band their presentations. The latest on the controversy just ahead on cbc NEWSDon't pay to haul awayyour old working fridge or freezer. Efficiency Manitoba will pick up recycle, and pay you 30 dollars for it. Book your pick up at efficiencymb.ca today Let's go for a skate, and a little chat. Because retirement today is not what it used to be. The good news is we're living longer and more active lives, but planning for that longevitycan come with some challenges. Thankfully as a Canadian homeowner aged 55 and better, you have options. The chip Program allows you to access the value of your home without selling it. So you can live retirement on your terms. If you're 55 or older call now for your free no obligation chip Reverse Mortgage Guide. With chip you get up to 55% of your home's value in tax free cash take only what you need in a lump sum or over time with no monthly mortgage payments required. Call (number on screen) Maybe it's time for you to consider chip too! Call now for your free no obligation guide. Call (number on screen) or visit chip dot ca. Call chip today and live retirement your way. >> Aloha. >> Greatest swimmer of all time. >> He had shattered the world record. Not by fractions but by whole seconds. >> He was a star. >> This is definitely not what I'd envisaged when we bought this place. >> How long have we got until this has to be ready? >> You talk, I'll sleep in. >> Me want cookies. >> Delicious. >> Five minutes, bakers. >> What?! Oh my god! >> Are you joking? >> They'll be wowed by the taste. [ ] >> Natasha: the new brunswick premier says he will ban in school presentations from a sex education group from québec. He says the nonprofit group misrepresented the content it would be sharing with students and went beyond the provincial curriculum and the materials it used. Here is more. >> Reporter: this all began as a result of a post on x. From the

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