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there is no questioning that. Moving forward, there are lots of decisions to make and I can only say we only just received the decision hours ago. There's a lot for us to fully understand and look at. But certainly, it still comes back to the cost. The tong -- cost and tax burdened our residence is extraordinary and we are very concerned, and we will continue to be very concerned about that. Moving forward, that will be what we will be putting forward and council will make those decisions together. >> Amy: joining us as a lawyer and former rcmp deputy commissioner, peter german. He has been retained by the city of surrey to advise them on the matter of the municipal force transition. Good morning, nice to speak with you again. >> Good morning, nice to see you >> Amy: the bc supreme court justice throughout the city's arguments and its demands. Will you advise the city to appeal? >> The city has it's own lawyers dealing with litigation and they will be and have sought the lawyer's advice on what to do should there be an appeal or not. Clearly, surrey will not appeal if the lawyers recommend not going down that road. If they feel the decision is definitive. But it remains to be seen. It's not a lengthy decision but it's a fair sized decision so it has to be analysed. It did just come down yesterday. >> Amy: public safety minister mike farnworth said about the judicial review, the people of surrey want this over and the decision certainly indicates that the transition will continue to the surrey police service. The province seems to think this is the end of the matter. Can the people of surrey expect to just put this behind them? >> I think the people of surrey were hoping that with the last election it would be over. Certainly after the last election, we submitted a plan, and the plan, as far as we were concerned, was good and allowed for a transition back to the rcmp or to maintain the rcmp. This simply endorses, if we accept the ruling it says yes, the minister can order surrey to transition, and yes, the legislature can legislate. We know already the municipalities are creatures of provinces. So they have pretty broad powers. That is really what this speaks to, but it does not talk about how are you going to do it? That's the thing that has been going on for years now. We still only have something in the area of 200 surrey police service officers working in a detachment of approximately 800 resources. 600 rcmp. So the surrey police service has a long hill to climb yet and there are all sorts of agreements that have to be put in place, things like can the rcmp work for the police board? Know they can't. They have a union also. There are a lot of moving parts that the legal decision does not deal with any of that. >> Amy: mayor brenda locke said during a press conference yesterday that the court challenge has revealed, quote, she said huge holes in the transition. Can you describe, further describe what those might be? >> I think the big 1 that she's probably referring to, and his and her material, is the number of resources that the municipal department requires in order to do the job. The municipal policing model generally is different from the rcmp policing model. As simple as 1 person per car in the rcmp model and 2 in the municipal model. That's simplifying it but jenner -- generally speaking if you look at what is referred to as the coptic crop ratio in the province, you will find municipal policing is higher per capita costs and that's because there are more resources required for the model. We now have found out through litigation that there was a report done by deloitte that estimated over 900 resources would be required. That corresponds to something in the area of 75 million additional dollars per year rather than the estimate we had previously of 30 million. The costs are mushrooming largely because of the nature of the policing model. We still don't have a plan from the surrey police board or police service how they are going to do it. But we now know some of the things that were being discussed behind the scenes that has come out through litigation. >> Amy: mayor law also said quote, premier ev told us we had the right to choose and then he decided somewhere along the line

it was no longer our right to choose. Is that a moot point by now? >> I think from mayor walks perspective, it is not a moot point because I think she will tell you she has, the election was definitive. The candidates supporting the rcmp were -- really have the majority of votes. In a normal course of behaviour, policing is left to the municipalities. What the province has done is that you unusual, to step in and say, you shall have this type of policing. That's unusual. It has not happened in this province. Generally speaking, municipalities have been allowed to either contract with the rcmp through the province or create their own standalone department. Here it is being dictated. That's different. >> Amy: what implications do you think this ruling will have for future municipalities, if they find themselves in a similar situation? >> Well, 1 of the problems with starting -- with a transition involving surrey, as you are taking on the largest rcmp detachment in the country. Somehow you are saying, if you are the surrey police service, we will somehow come up with 900 resources. It isn't easy to find 900 police. It would be simpler if it was a department that you are trying to replace a department or swap a department of 20 people or 30 individuals. This is different. You are talking 800 trained people, able to work in a extremely busy community. So the challenge is a difficult one. >> Amy: yesterday, we also heard from the safe surrey coalition. They are calling for mayor brenda locke to resign because, quote, she squandered over $100 million of taxpayer money by unnecessarily operating two police forces and dragging out the transition. What's your response to that? >> Well, right from the beginning the mayor made it clear, we just want want police force. She just wants, and majority of council just want to stay with the rcmp. They are more concerned about health care, education, portable classrooms. All of those issues. They do not want to spend all sorts of time and money in a transition they did not ask for and no one has provided a rationale from a public safety perspective that would justify this transition. That has never been heard, never been done. Why are we doing this? Why are we not spending our money elsewhere, is what she will say. >> Amy: fair, what if the goal is to just have one police force and the province has come in time and time again and say it will be the surrey police service, why not just say fine? >> That's where -- >> Amy: we will put the -- you know, it's an enormous much of time and energy that has been spent fighting this ongoing issue. At a certain point, is it perhaps not wise to say okay, we are going with surrey police service? >> It's almost rhetorical because it will quickly go in circles and that if mayor brenda locke says okay, we will do it, that's where the costs will come in because she will be supporting two police forces before probably -- for probably five or ten years. It would be so simple if you just kept what you had, but, yes,, the province is essentially forcing surrey to maintain two police forces until such time as surrey police service has enough resources to take over from the rcmp. That is a long way down the road >> Amy: we leave it there. Thank you so much for joining us once again. >> You are most welcome, thanks. >> Amy: take care. That was peter german, the city of surrey's legal advisor on the policing transition. [ ] [ ] >> Amy: charlie cho, how are we looking on the road? >> Charlie: so far so good. No major incidents. Enrichment, southbound slow on the 99 from williams road to massey tunnel. Regular volume. In surrey, westbound flow on

king george boulevard heavy from bridgeview to pattullo bridge. Weather wise, light rain will shift to mainly cloudy weather with 60 percent chance of showers. The full showers this evening. We can expect a high of 14 and a low of 9. Anything on the roads we should know about? (236) 330-2623. >> Amy: thank you. There are not many directors like australian george miller, the man behind the movie babe, happy feet and the mad max franchise. The post- apocalyptic world roared back to life in 2015's yuri road and now he has returned with the spinoff. Here with more on furiosa, a mad max saga, is our screen time columnist eli glasner. Good morning. >> Hey amy. >> Amy: I recall a rant recently on the lack of originality from hollywood... [ Laughter ] >> Yes, perhaps. >> Amy: now we have a prequel. Explain. >> Caught in my own trap. Yes, it's true. It's a prequel. It's kind of like a spinoff you could call it. It's the story of furiosa, the story of the girl who would become the woman who is eventually played by charlize theron in the film fury road. So more of the things that we already know, but -- here is the picket. If hollywood has to keep making sequels and prequels, which they want to keep doing, let them be as gloriously demented and brave and creative and courageous and epic and mythic and mad as what george miller, director of furiosa, has wrought. Bringing us back to this world of grime and guns, the wasteland with characters who have names such as smeg and tow jam and the history man. This film looks like an iron maiden cover that sprung to life. No word of a lie, I was so transfixed by what I saw. I watched the film, I was frozen in my chair, and then I got up to leave the theatre and I was limping. I wasn't when I went in there. I think I was just so tense for that entire journey that things stopped flowing, because I just wanted to bring it all in. >> Amy: wow! That is a little bit next level from rant to a rays. It's like your life was changed. Let us know, where does the story start? If it's a prequel. >> We start with furiosa not as a woman, but as a girl. Played in part of the film by alia brown who's 12 years old or so. Comes from a place of green. We are in the wasteland, post- apocalyptic terrain. Yet there is a hidden paradise. But she's taken and captured by scavengers. Her mother sees what is happening. Her mother's amazing, gets on a horse and chases her. Within minutes of the movie starting, already we are galloping down sand dunes, bad guys on motorcycles, transfixed trying to escape, chewing fuel lines. Eventually mom catches up and forces transfixed to commit. Listen. >> Whatever you have to do, however long it takes, promise me you will find your way home. Protect the green place. >> Give me this one gift. >> Her daughter is a prisoner and mom's saying, make this pledge. That's not easy stuff. Now furiosa is carrying this burden while she is under the care -- not a care, she's a prisoner of dr dementus. >> What do we have here? >> She's one of my secret weapon. >> What is your name? >> We will follow the tracks that brought you here and I will take you home. >> It may sound like chris hemsworth but it does not look like him. That's dr dementus played by mr. The war, chris hemsworth, has a sharp, roman nose, a goatee and moustache, and what I love about this, we have seen him as a good guy and a superhero. This weapon eyes as his charm. It takes the charisma and his handsomeness and the whole package, and it makes it into this sadist, a leader, a man who has an army of bikers at his back and call. And when dementus hears that another warlord has a fortress with women and water inside, he brings the thundering avalanche of motorbikes to surround the place and lay siege.

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