CBCN - Wednesday, May 22, 2024 - 12:00 a.m. (ET) - Segment #29

>>> Prime minister sanchez of spain. We said the point of recognizing the state of palestine was coming closer. That point has now arrived. >> Andrew: the governments of ireland, spain, and norway have announced they are recognizing the state of palestine. The country's leaders made simultaneous announcements today. It takes effect next week on may 28th. Israel has condemned the move and recalled its ambassadors from all three countries. The push for recognition of a palestinian state has grown since the start of the war in gaza. Canada remains among the countries that do not recognise palestine as a state. For more on this, we're joined by john allen, senior fellow at monk school of global affairs and public policy and former canadian ambassador to israel. We reached him in toronto. Appreciate you taking the time. Thank you. >> Interview: thanks, andrew. >> Andrew: how significant is this recognition by these three countries? >> Interview: it's significant. It's part of a growing trend, as you mentioned. We saw a vote at the U.N. general assembly last week, which was more of a procedural nature in terms of what a palestine could do. But the -- this is clearly moving in a direction. Increased number of european states recognizing the state of palestine. We're seeing three countries now. I can envision france and some other countries may join on in had the near future. Australia, new zealand has been making noise in that regard. Canada indicated overtime, they too may join the club. >> Andrew: over time. How soon do you think canada and some of these other countries could, as you say, join the club? >> Interview: well, I think I would say within, you know, the next six months or a year. I would imagine that you'll see more countries recognizing the state. The -- we have advocated and our policy is in favour of the two-state solution for years. For two decades. But the west has really deg in the last 15 years under netanyahu's rule to move that process ahead. And I think october 7th and the horrific attack and subsequent the disastrous war in gaza, have brought to the floor the realization without two states, we're going to see continuing violence. More october 7th and more war. And that's why I think you're seeing countries saying, well, enough is enough. We have to give some hope to the moderates. We have to show israel that they don't have a veto over this. That they have to engage. This doesn't mean that you're going to see a palestinian state overnight, because the final status negotiations have to take place. And there has to be agreement on number of issues. But this is to demonstrate to the moderates that there is western support for two states. >> Andrew: in a context of a war, though, we've heard france, germany, U.S. basically right now at least say the timing -- this is not the right time. There's a war going on that is a result of the october 7th attacks. >> Interview: yes, there is a war going on, and I think that's all the more reason to be making all efforts possible to move to an end to that war and to try and establish a credible path forward to peace. That's probably going to mean new leadership, certainly in israel, where netanyahu refuses to even consider that. And also in the palestinian authority, in the west bank,

where we need new elections and new governments for the palestinian authority. >> Andrew: I was going to ask you about that. Because there's one thing to recognise the palestinian state. Who would lead it? >> Interview: well, that's right. Palestinian state will be led by right now it would be led by the current president. They have a technocratic government in place as well. Hamas would not be part of that. The current hamas is political and military leadership would not be part of that. This is -- as I said, a symbolic signal that this is where things have to go if we want to avoid violence in the future. >> Andrew: what about the united states? They have been against this without israel being part of a negotiated two-state solution. As we know, the president of the israeli government rejected the two-state solution. >> Interview: that's right. The united states was opposed to a cease-fire, and they moved on that. They're now saying they're opposed to the applications for arrest of bebe netanyahu and the minister of defence, even though they supported the i.c.c.'s attempted arrest of president putin. The americans can change, too. They want to demonstrate their support for israel. They've got a lot of pressure from the republicans. Biden is going into an election. But once more of the europeans recognise the state, as I said, australia, new zealand, nordic, this trend will send a signal that the train has left the station, and the people should get onboard, and we should be working, all of us, to stop the settlement. To get free elections in the palestinian authority, and to move this process forward. >> Andrew: I appreciate your time today, sir. Thank you. >> Interview: thank you very much. >> Andrew: jon allen, senior fellow of monk school of global affairs and public policy and former canadian book store >> Reporter: some of them face criminal harassment charges as well. These arrests and the vandalism caused a lot of reaction in toronto. Some jewish advocacy groups called it an anti-semitic attack. There were rallies in support of those charged in connection to the case. Some of what we heard at a conference was speakers saying the vandalism wasn't because heather reeseman is jewish but because she supports charities in support of the israeli military. The charity that she funds and supports financially, provides scholarships to some israeli soldiers who want to stay in israel and study after service. The speakers saying the charges were bogus and baseless and absurd. They were also critical of the toronto police for how they carried out some of the arrests and search warrants. Saying the police burst into people's apartments in the night and ransacked apartments. In some cases, they say, there were children present, who were frightened by the police activities. We heard from one of the men arrested and charged who had his charges drops, carl gardner, here is some of what he said. >> I stand undeterred as someone who lost employment because of these bogus charges.

this has harmed my representation, livelihood, career and mental health and wellbeing. These don't end because charges have been withdrawn. I want to make something clear, the four of us whose charges are withdrawn, are not relieved. This is not justice. We will not stop until all the charges are dropped. >> Reporter: he says his charges were dropped because the crown decided there wasn't a reasonable prospect of conviction. That's one of the factors that they take into consideration when deciding to proceed with charges. He and the others at the news conference saying all the charges against all 11 people should be dropped. We heard from one of the lawyers representing one of the women charged and had her charges dropped and was critical how slowly the cases have been moving through the courts. And saying it would not be in the public interest. That's one. Other tests the crown uses to decide whether to proceed with charges. It's not in the public interest to proceed with other charges. The outstanding ones the crown is pursuing. According to this lawyer, he thinks it would be a waste of the court's time to move ahead with those charges. >> Jacqueline: what is the crown saying? >> Reporter: this was a complex investigate with 11 people accused and 30 charges laid. It was complex to gather evidence, including cell phone extraction, body-worn cameras. Surveillance, they said. It's taken a lot of time to analyze the evidence. And give careful consideration to whether there would be a reasonable prospect of conviction and whether there was a public interest in pursuing the charges. They said dropping the charges against four of the individuals shouldn't be taken as a criticism of these police arresting them in the first place. And the charges being laid. They say they're committed to ensuring the allegations received the resources and attention they deserve. The decision to proceed in this manner will permit a focused and efficient prosecution on the cases with the strongest evidence. We also have a statement from the toronto police. They've said something similar. That dropping charges against four people shouldn't be considered a criticism of the charges laid in the first place. And also, jacqueline, we've reached out to indigo for comment and hasn't heard back. >> Jacqueline: thanks. That's the cbc's megan fitz patrick in toronto.

>>> We'll take you to washington where white house officials are speaking to reporters on a daily briefing. >> Reporter: do you see a two-state solution? << Answer: I have to. [indiscernible] the israeli government about their future for the palestinian question. I can state to you what the U.S. position is. It's long standing. President biden believes a two-state solution that guarantees israel's security and future of dignity and security for the palestinian people is the best way to bring about long-term security and stability for everyone in the region. Israelis, palestinians and arabs. He's talked about a regional vision of israel being integrated with the modern arab states in an architecture that delivers regional stability. I was in saudi arabia talking to the crown prince about that vision this weekend. You saw public statements about what is possible if israel moves down that path. That's a conversation we'll continue to have with the israeli government. In the meantime, we'll work to ensure the enduring defeat of hamas and day after in gaza that involves governance and security not provided by hamas but alternative that ultimately gets us on a credible pathway to that two-state solution that president biden talked about. >> Question: [inaudible] is the U.S. concerned that this is just a tip of the iceberg that we're now at a point where other nations over U.S. objections will recognise palestine? << Answer: each country is entitled to make its own determinations but the U.S. position is clear. President biden as I just said, is on the record supporting a two-straight two-state solution and emphatic the two-state solution should be brought about through the coaxed negotiations of the parties. The principle position will communicate that to our partners around the world and we'll see what unfolds. >> Question: a quick follow-up. How concern are you israel's growing in diplomatic isolation? Do you view it that way? What does it mean for any deal, saudi deal to recognise israel going forward? [inaudible] << Answer: I think it's a fair question. It's a country that stands strong in defence of israel and international forums like the united nations. We've seen a growing chorus of voices, including voices previously in approximate support of israel drift in other direction. That's of concern to us, because we don't believe that contributes to israel's long-term security or vitality. And so, that's something that we discussed with the israeli government. And something that we believe that a strategic approach to defeating hamas, protecting civilian, surging humanitarian assistance and pursuing vision of regional integration I talked about will put israel in the best stead to engage countries around the world and revitalize a lot of partnerships and friendships that have been a source of great strength for israel over time and can be again. Yeah. >> Question: thank you. >> Jacqueline: we've been listening to jake sullivan, the U.S. national security adviser, following the position of several countries, ireland, spain, norway, to recognise the state of palestine. So, some questions from reporters there about what the u.s.'s position is. He says it remains the same. That a two-state solution is what the U.S. sees as the best way to bring about long-term stability in the region. He said that each country is entitled to make its own decisions around what it wants to do in terms of whether it chooses to recognise a state of palestine. >> Andrew: scenes of devastation in a small iowa town. It's the day after a deadly tornado ripped through greenfield, southwest of des moines. Authorities say at least one woman was killed. We'll have details coming up on cbc news network. It's coming. Check for anyone who needs help! Will do! [scream] They found another body. Recognize him? Never seen him before. The obvious theory is that our killer used the flood to cover their tracks. I'd be careful if I were you. Happy birthday, big guy. Your old minivan? Your old minivan. It still runs? Like new! And thanks to Fountain Tire's trusted, reliable service, you'll be driving this for a loooong time. Never getting rid of this baby. Great. And of course! Quality tires. Why's that guy there? Because honey. Wherever you go, Fountain Tire's right there with you. Right there in that radical sidecar! What do you got under the hood? Just my legs. ( )

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