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but the want to talk about the supreme leader meeting with the leader of hamas. The reigning government supports hamas. What is your view about the role that iran a is playing in that war and then the proxy wars happening around it? >> Obviously, the approach that ebrahim raisi had is justification of proxy wars he has maintained throughout these last 30 years, since the end of the iranian-iraq wars. They have silenced them, equipped them with weapons and all sorts. As a result, we've seen that it is interfering in the region and trying to establish his own regiment under the shi'ite calumet and they're bringing their proxies to bring more pressure in the region, whether it's hamas or hezbollah or islamic jihad or even the houthis. This is part of the proxy involvement in the immediate region and well beyond that with the irgc that stretches to venezuela and other places. >> Rosemary: where do you think the people of iran stand or what are they thinking about the escalating tensions between israel and iran right now? >> I think the people of iran have always tried to message the world that a liberated iran, a democratic iran, will seek only peace and good relations with our neighbours, whether it's the arabs and the israelis, completely opposite what this regime has been standing for. The only way to eliminate the problem is by this regime no longer being in power. The guarantee of having an opportunity for the whole world to be released of the problematics involved with the regime. Whether it is nuclear threat, terrorism, or radicalism spreading. Put an end to it. It's why we have the escalation unless we offer a better solution and that means investing on the people of iran as the alternative at the end of the day. That's why I think the canadian government and other governments should support the iranian people and bring as much as there is economic sanctions to put pressure on the regime, but parallel to that, a policy on maximum support to give people equal footing to be able to, you know, fight against an extremely repressive regime. >> Rosemary: you were recently in canada and met with government officials. Is that the message you sent to them? And what does that look like for canada to support iranians without being caught up in support of the regime? >> Well, first of all, I would like to offer my appreciation from the state, coming from prime minister trudeau, that rather than sending condolences it was support in the iranian people which is what we expect from democratic leaders. I think canada could do more. One of the key issues on the table is the inscription of the irgc as a terrorist organization. This is something critical because if you look at it, irgc has been the main operating mechanism whether at home or interference abroad. That is additional pressure on the regime, but it also sends a strong signal to the iranian people that we are taking measures. And beyond that and I think depending on which political party is more inclined to do that, one of the key issues inned in is the money laundering operations by the regime. These have to be dealt with politically. My approach to foreign governments, has been expectation of bipartisan support. It should not be exclusively one party when it comes to human rights and liberty, although some parties are more responsible than others. But in general, I think canada is showing at least that they have the correct approach, but we hope they will do more. I think the precedence is set and that should be the case of the g7. It will be critical to have the inscription of the irgc as a terrorist organization. It's been legislated for, but governments have to make the final decision. >> Rosemary: there was a motion where it was voted on in parliament here, although that's not binding for the government. One of the -- I'm sure you know -- one of the reasons the government has given for not doing that is complexity in labelling who you would go after given you are forced to participate in military service in iran. Do you understand that reasoning? Or do you think they're making it more complicated than it needs to be? >> There is a possible answer to that problem in the sense that you could say as of now, whoever continues with the irgc will be subject to that, but those prior are now residents in canada, it may not necessarily have to

apply to them retroactively. That's one way of satisfying the concerns of government that hesitate doing that because of that issue, but at the same time it doesn't eliminate the fact that the we have to hold the irgc accountable. This may be a way around it and I don't know if it could be implemented or not. >> Rosemary: what needs to happen to make sure that the war we're seeing in israel and gaza doesn't get to be a broader war? What kind of things need to happen from the international community? >> Looking beyond the status quo and limiting your options to either diplomacy which has failed and conflict, military intervention, which is not desirable. As a result, you're faced with only one possibility, that direct support to the people of iran as the agent of change. It starts from the inside of the country. It doesn't require foreign intervention if you opt for that strategy. On the other hand, if the iranian people are not given the proper support, you have other options less desirable lingering. All of us want to avoid conflict because that's definitely lose-lose. I believe the only win-win solution for the world and the iranian people is to get rid of the regime. There has to be a decision made about regime change. Why do I say that? Because the free world was based on the false premise of expecting behaviour change by the regime. And behaviour cannot change in this regime, because the dna is what it is. They're not about to change face. You cannot turn a wolf into a sheep. You cannot redesign and change that. That won't ever happen. So therefore, rather than lingering on expecting that attitude to -- behaviour to change, the solution is the regime itself has to no longer be there. So regime change ought to be the final solution. That's what the people of iran are crying for. 80% of iranian society are done with the regime. They want to go beyond the regime. I hope the world acknowledges this is ultimately the desire of freedom-seeking iranians and be on the right side of history. >> Rosemary: thank you so much for making the time. Appreciate it, sir. Always want to know about what you think you see on the show. You have an opinion. Something you want to say. Send us an e-mail at Announcer:Can heartbreak help break records? You want to be great, you need to sacrifice. Announcer:Do bigger fans have higher blood pressure? How's your heart rate? Announcer:Why do we love rooting for underdogs? Gotta support the home team. Announcer:When you get curious, you getCBC. Do you remember when I gave you that? 50 years ago, and I'm still trying to figure it out. Well, one thing we did figure out was a better way to waterproof decks and balconies. Certainly did. It takes no time at all to solve your decking needs at duradek.com (Opening Mnemonic) (music throughout) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) The all new GoDaddy Airo helps you get your business online in minutes with the power of ai... with a perfect name, a great logo, and a beautiful website. Just start with a domain, a few clicks, and you're in business. Make now the future at GoDaddy.ca/Airo ( ) That's a dq Chicken Strip Basket! Oh look at those tasty dq chicken strips. And fries! Plus all the dips! Oh let's order one, right now! Dq. Happy Tastes Good. Parrots are incredible animals. [Parrot] Another overdue bill! Yeah. They're also extremely intelligent. [Parrot] Forgot to pay again! They also repeat things they hear a lot. The new bmo eclipse rise Visa card rewards you with points for paying your bill on time every month to help build a routine. [Parrot] Rewards you with points! And you get 5x the points on things like groceries, dining and recurring bill payments. [Parrot] For paying your bill! —But also you can... — [Parrot] Every month! —And just remember. —[Parrot] Build a routine! [Parrot squawking] He is a talker. When a bank helps you make real financial progress. That's the bmo Effect. Bmo Duradek is a family business supporting dedicated contractors for over 45 years. We're growing, and demand is high for more dealers and installers. For opportunities in your area visit Duradekcareers.com >> Adrienne Arsenault: You are constantly on the move, and so are we, making sense of the moments that matter, together. >> I really like the good ideas that come out of these conversations. >> Adrienne: With you, and for you. >> Are you ok? >> Been quite a day, to be honest. >> I'm Adrienne Arsenault. This isThe National.

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