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ofRadio Canada, with support for cultural industries, these are all issues upon which the consensus does cross the line between sovereigntist and the average Québecers, and the moment where you say, whatever is going on, in Parliament, whatever those policies are, we are not, we are not going there. And that is probably the place, climate change, I know it doesn't sound sexy, like talking about Bill 21 and Bill 96. But what's missing from the sovereigntist support is the younger generation of Québecers. >> Rosemary: Very quick last word, Andrew. >> Just on the immigration thing, let's supposing we get 100 million people by the end of the 20th century, which is-- the 21st century, which is the great fear that's been raised about this. And let's supposing that Québec's share, that falls to 18%. And let's supposing two thirds of those are French speakers. So it's maybe the worst case scenario you can imagine. That still means you got 12 million French speakers in Québec versus 8 million today. So this notion that Québec is about to be drowned by this deluge of immigrants, or it's going to lose all its clout in the Federation, it had 29% of the population after World War II, it was much less important in the Federation, much less powerful than it is today with 22%. It's not a simple function of your share of the population. >> Rosemary: Okay, I gotta leave it there. We have to take a short break here. But when we come back, we'll talk about the latest would be Conservative nominee to raise concerns around the process for that party. That's next. I am pumped! Yes! Announcer:The finish line is finally in sight. Maestro: One team will be crowned Race Against the Tidechampions. Announcer:On this beach anything can happen. Mm. -Oh, It makes your heart pound, it's going to be really exciting, no matter what. Happy birthday, big guy. Your old minivan? YOUR old minivan. It still runs? Like new! And thanks to Fountain Tire's trusted, reliable service, you'll be driving this for a loooong time. Never getting rid of this baby. Great. And of course! Quality tires. Why's that guy there? Because honey. Wherever you go, Fountain Tire's right there with you. Do you like music? I made a mixtape! (Parents excitedly chuckle) ( ) Nutty...and sweet. Latte macchiato. ( ) This one is for the prize? Intenso. No, cool. Definitely iced. ( ) Sweet. Bye. Nespresso, what else? ( ) (Wincing) Get started for free on eharmony. Must be 18 or older to join. Get who gets you. eharmony. Voltaren Emulgel Extra Strength contains an anti-inflammatory... ...that has the power to relieve your muscle and joint pain. It penetrates deep to relieve pain and reduce inflammation. And you can go 12 hours between applications. Voltaren. The joy of movement. It's Leon's Storewide Super Sale! Save up to 50% on furniture. Save up to 50% on mattresses. Plus, get an L2 washer and dryer set for only $998 including a 2 year warranty! Ends Wednesday! The Jeep No Limits Eventis here.Which means more trailsto blaze. More challenges to meet. And right now enjoyno payments for 90 days. Get into a Jeep Compass. With best-in-class horsepower. Or Jeep Grand Cherokee,the most awarded SUV ever. ( ) Jeep No Limits is here. Time to test your limits. Get up to 10% off MSRP for up to eighty sevenhundred dollars in discounts. And no payments for 90 days. Canada has one of the best backyards in the world. Don't let allergies prevent you from breathing it all in. (Sneeze, birds squawking) Get relief fast. Reactine acts fast to relieve allergy symptoms and lasts 24 hours. Summer starts... now! The NEW DQ Summer Blizzard Menu. New Peanut Butter Cookie Dough Party, New Picnic Peach Cobbler. And more delicious flavors. Start summer now! Only at DQ. Happy tastes good. ( ) [Thunder] It's live! Feel the fun of a live casino experience at Play Ojo, with gameshow hits like Mega Wheel. Download the app. Feel the fun! Play Ojo. Physical activity helps you feel younger. So you can age better. ( ) Everything gets betterwhen you get active. ( ) >> What assurances can you give to Canadians watching this at home? Is that everything you needed to do, or everything you wereableto do? >> We're not going to make a decision on a budget we haven't seen yet. >> Let Canadians decide. >> Announcer: David Cochrane forPower & Politics, weekdays at 5:00 p.m. Eastern onCBC News Network. >> Andrew Chang: May is

Asian Heritage Month. Join us in celebrating the many contributions that Asian Canadians make to Canada. >> Rosemary: Another would-be Conservative nominee is raising concerns over the nomination process. This is the third time issues have been raised with the process of choosing a candidate. Allegations have centered around the party playing favourites. Is this an issue for the Conservatives? Or is the process just like this for all political parties? Let's bring back our panelists, Chantal, Andrew, and Althia. I don't know who wants to go first here, Althia, maybe you. I mean, to some extent this is normal in that parties usually do have a favourite and sometimes they put their thumb on the scale to get the candidate, the nominee that they want for the candidate. What's interesting here is that I don't think people are being really honest about what's happening in terms of who's putting the thumb on the scale, but give me your assessment of what you think is happening and whether it's a problem or not. >> There were many similar allegations in the lead up to the 2015 election when the Liberals were trying to fill in their slate, and they had the star candidates that they wanted to save winnable ridings for. I think on the Conservative side, there has always been this feeling among the membership that the party is really run by the grassroots and that there are rules that are set up and that the party will abide by the rules. And I think what is making a lot of waves is because the rules are not or appear not to have been followed. And the party is not incentivized to tell people why this is going. And they also want to keep people selling memberships because they want those memberships to turn into donors and keep the party growing. So there's disenchantment on that side. Political parties are a key part of our democracy, but they are run as private clubs despite the fact that they get $70 million in campaign election expenses refunded by the taxpayer, that they get about $25 million, maybe a slight little bit more in terms of tax credit support, annually every year. And yet they you know, if there's a privacy breach of our information that the party holds, they don't really need to tell anybody about it. So there are, there are many problems with the way political parties organized their options, their contests. There are several options to fix it, but none of the political parties want to hand this over to Elections Canada or a third party or give any of their power away. And that's why I think it's unlikely that we see any reform. >> Rosemary: Chantal, we've talked about nominations before, what I think the difference here is these are people who want to be candidates that are being told no, you're off the table, even though they had sold memberships, for instance. >> They're not only being told that they're off the table, they're being told that they're disqualified for obscure reasons that are not provided to them, which is a shabby way to treat people who actually are your own supporters, and who want to join your team. But I totally believe that political leaders should be able to pick some or many members of their team, that it's incumbent for a party that wants to run a government to present the best possible team that he or she can assemble. But I also believe that they should be accountable for wanting to do that by doing it up front. Jean Chrétien got from the Liberal membership the power to appoint candidates, and he did use it. And he didn't apologize for it. And you can say whatever you want about grassroots and local democracy, it still made more sense. And it was a cleaner process them to make believe that you are actually doing the grassroots process, and then finding ways to throw out the people that you don't want once they've worked hard to try to become candidates. >> Rosemary: Yeah, and that's the part that's damaging for the Conservatives, Andrew, both Althia and Chantal have identified it there. It's that they, they are a party of the grassroots. They give them a lot of attention during conventions to come up with policy. And then if these kinds of things happen, it sort of blows up in their face a little bit. >> Well, I'm all for transparency. But I also don't actually believe that the leader should choose the M.P.s. I think the M.P. should choose the leader. We were talking earlier about how insignificant M.P.s have become, how insignificant Parliament has become as the representative of the people, a not insignificant matter. Well, the founding point of that, the starting point of that is the way in which we nominate, the way that which we choose the candidates. If we want to start fixing parliament and making Parliament a relevant place again, we got to start looking at the nomination races and if that weren't urgent before, the stuff that we've learned coming out of the foreign

interference inquiry, it makes it absolutely imperative because now it's not just a local thugs fixing races, it's foreign thugs. >> Rosemary: I'm Rosemary Barton. Thank you for watching. [CBC Newstheme] [bagpipes] Announcer: The remainsof an unknown soldier from the Royal Newfoundland Regiment who servedin the First World War are beingrepatriated on Saturday. This was the scene earlieras people gathered to pay tribute at a ceremonyin northern France. The body of the soldierwill lie in state at Newfoundland'sConfederation Building next month before being interredin St. John's on July 1st. The following program is availabe in described video. [Susan]On this editionofThe Fifth Estate, the battle overclimate change. We are in a raceagainst time. [Susan] Fires. Floods. Heat domes. Our planet is getting hotter, with tragic results. [man] The whole hillside's gone. Over 600 people died, and one of them was my sister. [Susan] But what and who will stop it? [Alexia] This is COP28 and we can still not agree to equitably phase out fossil fuels. What are we doing? [Catherine] In order to address climate change, we need to be talking about the cause of climate change. It is so decided. [Susan] Leaders say they're making progress, but are they? [Peter] We've been trying to warn you guys for so many decades, that we're heading towards a [muted] catastrophe. [Susan] Those fed up with climate politics won't wait. [chanting, indistinct] When all else fails, sue. [Susan] And the face off between Alberta's premier and the federal minister of environment. [Danielle] I wish you would put Steven Guilbeault in your crosshairs so-- The Premier of Alberta turned this into a culture war. He wants to put someone in jail? I guess it'll be me. The brawl over our heating planet. I'm Susan Ormiston, and this is The Fifth Estate. [reporters]Athensis sweltering... The blistering US southwest... Global temperature records havebeen breaking all summer... [António] The air is unbreathable. The heat is unbearable. [reporters] More than hot enough to cause serious harm to human health. Temperatures are now set to climb even higher. Now July is on track to be the hottest month in recorded history. [Susan] The hottest month, became the hottest year, 2023, just as the world's largest climate conference opened in Dubai, delegates desperate for a deal to turn down the heat. Prime ministers and presidents, top diplomats and a sprinkling of kings, kicked off what was supposed to be one of the most consequential climate meetings in nearly a decade, COP28. Delegates, observers, and negotiators from more than 190 countries including over 700 from Canada... Opening ceremony is full. At this point only party heads or deputy party heads. [Susan] ...clamouring to get in to the opening ceremony to hear what they already knew-- the world was heating upperilously. How dangerous are weactually prepared to make our world? In 2050, our grandchildren won't be asking what we said, they'll be living with the consequences of what we did or didn't do. [chanting] Fossil fuels have got to go! Hey-hey! Ho-ho! Fossil fuels have got to go! [Susan] Activists at this COP were losing patience, "If not this year," they asked, "then when would global politicians finally tackle the oil and gas industry head on?" -What do we want? -Phase out! -If we don't get it? -Shut it down! [Susan] Demanding countries phase out fossil fuels, in plain speech, cut production of oil and gas. Put "phase out of fossil fuels" in the text because you owe it to us, especially to the nations from the Global South. [Susan] Daniela Bobadilla from Columbia and Texan Alexia Leclercq came to COP for one reason-- change. This is COP28. 28 COPs and we can still not agree to equitably phase out fossil fuels? What are we doing? It seems sometimes like it is a show. What is this whole... reunion of people about if we're going to keep doing the same, if we're going to give options to not do anything? [somber music playing] [Susan] With the world coming to Dubai, the United Arab Emirates, which got rich off oil and gas, wanted to prove they could be green too.

And the success or failure of COP28 rested with this man. Sultan Al Jaber, chosen by the host country as president for this COP. But Al Jaber's real job is running the UAE's national oil and gas company, ADNOC. We must ensure the inclusion of the role of fossil fuels. [Harjeet] COP28 being hosted by a petrol state was a perfect opportunity to talk about the cause of the climate crisis, and that's fossil fuels-- coal, oil and gas. [Susan] Harjeet Singh has been campaigning for solutions to climate change for two decades. Based in Delhi, he's worked with international NGOs, this time with Climate Action Network. Dubai was his 15th COP. Let me remind you that the fossil fuel industry made profits of $4 trillion last year. The pressure had been building to double down on the fossil fuel industry, and we challenged him to deliver. More fossil fuels means more loss and damage, more disasters, more people losing their homes. We collectively have the power to do something unprecedented. In fact, we have no choice. [Susan]The pressurewas on Al Jaber to deliver onan historic decision. [Harjeet] They alsokept saying that this is going to bea different COP because we are going to bedelivering a landmark deal. So for them, it was all about image boosting and creating a legacy. [dramatic music playing] [Susa] The very first COP in Berlin in 1995 began the work of tackling climate change. In Kyoto, in 1997, they committed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. The United States has reacheda truly historic agreement with other nations of the worldto take unprecedented steps. [Susan] Followed by year after year of promises as extreme floods and droughts outpaced the efforts to contain them. But at all the previous climate conferences there was one glaring omission, says Canadian Catherine Abreu. I think it's really surprising to learn that the convention that brings all of the world's countries together to talk about the climate crisis doesn't actually discuss the cause of the climate crisis directly. [Susan] Abreu is a climate policy activist, and she's been a fixture at the UN conferences for eight years. Her first was Paris in 2015. L'accord de Parispour le climat est accepté. [Susan] Where the world signed on to a climate treaty to try to limit global heating to 1.5 degrees Celsius from pre-industrial levels. [Catherine] I showed upto this COP expecting to have a conversationwith my peers about how we were going to befighting the fight against fossil fuels worldwide. And instead, I found a space that was completely void of any conversations about coal, oil and gas. I think that really goes to show the extent to which these spaces were actively engineered to avoid addressing the root cause of the climate crisis. [Susan]In the 28 yearsof climate conferences, fossil fuel emissions globally have just kept rising. [reporters] Though Canadians might be skeptical, 1995 was the warmest year on record. 1998 may offer a glimpse into the future, a time when scorching heat and severe weather will be the norm. The hottest year of all was 2005. The hottest year of all in the US was 2006. 2010 was the warmest year on record. [Susan] Back in Dubai, Canada's delegation was headed by the Minister of Environment and Climate Change Steven Guilbeault. Who should I be looking at? Bonjour toutes le monde. Good morning. Very happy to be here. [Susan] As a former environmental activist, Guilbeault had been to 22 COPs. This time he was tapped by Sultan Al Jaber, to help shepherd part of the negotiations. [Steven] I think we have a real chance. I'm not saying it's a done deal, but I think we have a real chance of landing something that would be historic, here in Dubai. Are you going to compromise at all on fossil fuels, on the wording? [Susan] But that power struggle with oil and gas interests would dominate this COP, just as it had for years. A record number of fossil fuel lobbyists and delegates--

over 2,000-- were attending this COP. OPEC, the organization of petroleum producers, had a booth at COP28 for the first time at a set of UN climate talks. And we saw their influence pretty starkly. [Susan] A leaked letter from OPEC to its member nations urged them to reject a "draft decision" with options on "fossil fuels phase out" warning that would set in motion "irreversible consequences." The message was clear. Keep the talk on curbing emissions, not cutting production. A significant distinction, meaning freedom to expand oil and gas, just deal with the polluting emissions. [Catherine] Basically they're saying, "We'll just take care of the emissions and we don't have to worry about what's actually causing those emissions." [Susan] With 48 hours left to go, COP's architects began to sweat. We are in a race against time. [Susan] UN Secretary General António Guterres tried to push negotiators to reach consensus to help save the climate and the credibility of the whole conference. Saudi Arabia and others were dead set against any attempts to phase out fossil fuels. [reporter] Mr. President, do you feel more ambitious now? [Susan] Sultan Al Jaber delivered a final appeal. [Al Jaber] Failure, or lack of progress, or watering down my ambition is not an option. [Susan] At dawn, with COP in overtime, national delegations were summoned. [reporter] Will you be asking for changes, sir? [Susan] Saudi's energy minister swept by into the plenary hall, brushing questions aside. COP28 was about to conclude. Sultan Al Jaber raised the gavel. Hearing no objection,it is so decided. [Susan] He had his deal, and it got a standing ovation. [Al Jaber] Future generations may not know your names, but they will owe every single one of you a debt of gratitude. I thank you for this historic achievement. [Susan] It took 28 years to even mention the cause-- fossil fuels. But the world had only agreed to "transition away from fossil fuels," not phase them out. [speaking in other language] The Arab group delegation called it "successful" and the US named it a win. I am in awe... of the spirit of cooperation that has brought everybody together. [Susan] But the agreement failed to direct nations to curb production provoking some deep disappointment. Could we just get a comment? [Shiva] What we saw today was extremely heartbreaking. What we needed was to address the root cause of the climate crisis, which was a phase out of fossil fuel. And we didn't get that. [Harjeet] My framing is, it is historic yet flawed. So, so many loopholes that we have got in this decision. We ultimately land up at the lowest commondenominator, which is not strong enoughto avert the crisis. [Catherine] No one, I think, who participated in COP28 is saying that it has provided the solution to the climate crisis. Major fossil fuel producers, including Canada, not just Saudi Arabia, are going to read what they want to read into some of these sentences. [Susan] A month later, Catherine Abreu is back in Ottawa, sifting through what COP28 actually accomplished. "It didn't go far enough," she says, "but finally naming fossil fuels will send an important signal." The major message that's coming out of COP 28 is that the thing we have to do in this decade, between now and 2030, is to focus on eliminating the production and consumption of fossil fuels. [Susan] When we come back, that battle heating up in Canada. Alberta's premier takes on Ottawa's Minister of Environment and Climate Change. If we get to 2035 and we aren't able to meet his unrealistic targets and he wants to put someone in jail, I guess it'll be me. [crowd cheering] Hey, let's go, man. [laughter] You're one of my favourite interviewers. Announcer: Q with Tom Power. Available now onCBC Listen or wherever you get your podcasts. Savings is the name of the game for us when we shop. I thought we were playing charades? So, we use Rakuten to get Cha-Ching. While we're gaming? Go. We get Cash Back at hundreds of stores. Cha-Ching! Health and beauty,

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