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julia was listening as well to the U.N. top court, the world court as it's known as it released its information. Just maybe you want to bolster what I was just saying, julia, what stood out to you as you listened to what the president was laying out there. >> Perhaps not a big surprise with the verdict but still a stark assessment of the situation in gaza, particularly since israel started its offensive in rafah. Just a couple of weeks ago. And the deterioration as the president of the international court was painting a picture of a very difficult situation in terms of the humanitarian conditions on the ground, and he was referencing particularly the facts that there had been evacuation orders issued in advance by israel, warning that it was going into rafah, that led to the displacement of some 800,000 people, according to the united nations. And what I think was interesting from this ruling was the fact that the judges found that that wasn't good enough, the fact that there had been advance warning. They said that the situation to where -- where the people had been moved to simply wasn't good enough, they were living without roofs, without water, without any kind of sanitary conditions, and of course very limited access to aid, which is why the icj has made its judgment that the rafah crossing needs to be reopened. We've been hearing major concerns about the fact that since israel took control of the gaza side of that crossing, there hasn't been any aid coming from egypt into gaza over the last couple of weeks. And although there are other routes and israel has insisted that it isn't blocking aid, that's been a major sticking point for aid groups where we heard the judges talking about the world food program, not having access to a warehouse in rafah as well. So a really stark picture of what's going on there, but, yes, the headlines effectively that the court is ordering israel to halt its rafah offensive, open the rafah crossing and allow investigators in to ensure that israel is complying with an order from earlier in the year by the icj that it meets to prevent a genocide in gaza. >> Heather: just again, getting a little bit of context to all of this, again, ordering the stop to the rafah incursion, some had expected the icj could go even further and order a stop to the entire wars the entire offensive in gaza broadly, that has not happened, nor did it happen with the initial ruling back in january. So this is rafah specific. Interesting that the votes in all of these were 13-2, and the american representative on the international court who's a justice by the name of sarah haul cleveland, she voted were the majority, so she voted in favour of these provisional measures. In terms of the southwestern ontario come of this, this is legally bind bug there is no power to enforce these orders from the international court of justice. By way of understanding, this is brought by south africa, it's part of the larger case, south africa alleges that israel has been involved in acts of genocide. It filed that back last december and this is part of what's making its way through the international court of justice. The main case which deals with that main accusation of genocide it's not expected to start until next we are. Israel has of course denied the case, but this is part of that within what is being investigated and that's part of the, as you said, julia, must be open to any investigators lookings at some of these allegations and looking for evidence. So this is the context to the ruling today. We already know, again, not able to be enforced, israel has already made it clear it will nod adhere to this, whatever it was going to be. No power on earth will stop israel from protecting its citizens and going after hamas in gaza. That's what a government spokesperson has already said. So what is this likely to lead to, as far as israel's response, and I would also like you to look, julia, if you could, to how the world will respond, the kind of isolation, the kind of criticism that we may hear as a result of what the icj has just ruled. >> Well, absolutely. I mean, israel did defend itself at the court last week because it is a member of the united nations and it has to effectively put forward its rebuttal to the south african allegations, so certainly it has been participating in these proceedings and although they are legally binding, as you say, incredibly difficult to enforce on the ground, south africa continuing to press israel on its actions in gaza and although the broader genocide case could take many years, it wants to see pressure put on israel at every stage, particularly as the situation on the ground is evolving. Certainly, we have seen israel already dismiss international courts' efforts to intervene in gaza, saying that israel didn't start this war, it didn't want this war, and it needs to carry out its offensive, it says, in rafah because it's -- the last stronghold of hamas. It says that's necessary to route out hammond every hamas.

certainly that has been its perspective, and although it will be difficult to enforce this, there does add to a growing sense of pressure and isolation on israel, there have been many countries expressing concern about the deteriorating humanitarian situation in gaza and specifically about the situation in rafah as well which the united states warned against this offensive, although we heard a couple of days ago that the U.S. said no red lines had been crossed there so far. But it does certainly -- verdicts like this, judgments like the icj's judgment today do add to that pressure and help shape the international response, for example, in russia when the icj ruled that its invasion of ukraine was unlawful, that certainly added some legal weight to many countries giving weapons to ukraine. So that is the kind of picture we are expecting going forward there. Could be stronger responses from western countries as this situation in gaza continues. >> We already had, as you and I were talking about, the three countries, spain, ireland and norway going ahead to declare that they will declare an official palestinian state as of next week. Again, as part of this international pressure and growing international condemnation. Julia, thank you. I will let you go for now. Julia chapman going to continue watching the story out of our bureau in london. And as we return to the scenes outside, we do see a small group of pro-palestinian demonstrators. We would expect reaction to come to this judgment from the international court of justice. What we've seen previously is the lawyers for south africa will respond and also the legal team for israel as well. But julia raises a number of questions, what will come of all of this? Will there be suddenly today or increasingly international condemnation? Will any countries go to the point of new sanctions and will there be, as some have been concerned about from the israeli perspective, will this then lead the united nations security council to declare some new form of declaration which would then require the united states to use its veto power in support of israel in all of this? There are many diplomatic and political repercussions to come even if there is no power to enforce this decision just out from the international court of justice. We'll have more on the story for you as it continues to unfold from the hague. This is cbc morning live. [ ] Announcer:Stories that make you think. -Will you lower prices? Announcer:If it matters in your home -I'm going to get in more debt. Announcer:or to this country -Affordable housing. -Climate change. Announcer:it's onCanada Tonightwith Travis Dhanraj. Watch onCBC News NetworkandCBC Gem. When you live with diabetes,confidence comes from knowing your glucose levels and where they're headed. Manage your diabeteswith confidence with Dexcom g7. Our Enercare technicians are experts at heating and cooling. Water heating and water purification. We can help you with a range of affordable solutions to help your home run smoothly. Enercare Experts at home Canadian summers just hit different with Tims. ("Steal My Sunshine" by Len) Introducing two new Sparkling Quenchers... made with natural flavours and colours. Memories are made with Quenchers. It's time for Tims With fastsigns, create factory grade visual solutions to perfect your process. Fastsigns. Make Your Statement™. Kevin and Sarah have one of the world's largest collections of souvenir plates. [crash] They also have a teenager, so they got their plates insured. But they don't have life insurance. Kevin's worried his diabetes will make it hard to qualify, and Sarah does not like medical exams. So we got them some new plates to tell them about Canada Protection Plan. Canada Protection Plan hassolutions for both the healthy and hard to insure. With no needles or medicalexams required on most plans. You'll get great coverageat a price you'll love and there are no paymentsin your first month. Anybody between18 and 80 can apply and there are greatmember benefits including rewards for activeliving and giving back. As part of the Foresters family,your coverage is backed by our excellentfinancial strength. Contact your advisor or call now to get a no-obligation quote in minutes. Canada Protection Plan. Protecting what matters most... you. [crash] We all need fibre for our digestive health, but most Canadians only get about 50% of the fibre they need. Good thing Metamucil Gummies are an easy way to get plantbased fibre. Three gummies have the same amount of fibre as 2 cups of broccoli. Metamucil Gummies. The easy way to get your daily fibre. I'd do anything Welcome to the new PetSmart Treats rewardsTM. Ready go Collect points with every purchase. And save big on their favourite services.

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hearing through reuters from, palestinian authority, here is the statement from the palestinian authority, welcoming the icj decision and saying it represents, quote, an international consensus to end israel's war on gaza. That again from the palestinian presidency, a spokesperson to the reuters news agency. And we will continue to bring you reaction, there is just some reaction and now again to reuters from israel's finance minister, saying that after this ruling, those who demand that israel stop the war are demanding that it should decide to cease to exist, israel will not agree to that. That gives you a sense of the kind of reaction we will see from both sides to come. So we will watch that story very closely through the day here on cbc news network, and just before we go, let's touch base one more time with chris murphy and our forecast heading into the weekend, race weekend in ottawa, all sorts of activities outdoors, all across the country, chris, have a good one. >> Thank you, you too, heather, yeah, big travel weekend in the states, memorial day weekend and again from the upper midwest right down to the southern plains, severe weather there. We've got rain on the north side of our low pressure system. This is the biggest weather maker for today, certainly, in southern manitoba, where we could be looking at more than 50 millimeters worth of rain by the time it ends tomorrow. This is a slow-moving system and locally heavy bands of rain and it's a cold rain, 4° in brandon, 10 in winnipeg, and you will be lucky if you see 10 and we could be getting into wet snow towards riding and turtle and duck mountain, those kind of parts, a little higher elevation. Over towards southern alberta and southern british columbia, another day where we can get some more showers and thunderstorms. Medicine hat has had 110 millimeters of rain so far in may. That is more than double what you would normally get. We could get more thunderstorms there. So there's your heavy rain and wet snow lifting northward, so by tomorrow afternoon, that rain is winding down in the south. More scattered showers and likely thunderstorms into the bc interior and for the south coast, you've got some scattered showers, for the next few days and below seasonal values as well. 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