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BC Appeal Court dismisses appeal by women ski jumpers to compete in 2010 Games

VANCOUVER, B.C. - Faith that Canada's charter would trump the Olympic charter was shattered Friday for a group of female ski jumpers fighting to be included in the 2010 Winter Olympic Games.

Faces graced with hopeful smiles during two days of hearings crumpled into tears when a three-judge panel of the B.C. Court of Appeal unanimously dismissed their case Friday.

The women were appealing a lower court ruling that allowed Games organizers to hold a men's ski jumping competition but not a women's event - something the women say violated their charter rights.

They had asked the courts for a declaration that VANOC must comply with the charter, meaning there either had to be events for both genders or none at all.

Vancouver organizers argued that because the decision not to include a women's event was made by the International Olympic Committee under the terms of its own charter, Canada's charter doesn't apply.

"I thought they would go the other way, for sure," said reigning world champion ski jumper, Lindsay Van, of Utah, as she wiped away tears after the decision.

"I thought we had a very good argument that was very much set and it didn't seem it would go the other direction."

Outside the court after the decision was announced, some of the women hugged one another for support.

Van said without a Games to aspire to, it's hard to predict what will happen to her sport.

"It's not any different than it was, we didn't lose anything, we just didn't gain anything," said Van.

"From here our sport just is stagnant, it doesn't go anywhere."

With the Games less than three months away, the B.C. Appeal Court made the ruling Friday afternoon, immediately after hearing two days of arguments.

The women could seek leave to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada, but that process would take months. They could also ask the appeal court to suspend their ruling pending an appeal.

"I'm not going to commit to anything, but I think it's very late," said Ross Clark, the lawyer for the women.

The Appeal Court judges did not give reasons for their decision, and gave no timeline for releasing the reasons in written form.

Clark said he thought the appeal process was fair, and he didn't want to speculate on why his legal arguments failed to sway the judges.

Vancouver Games organizers said they were glad the process was over, but they were sad for the women.

"I don't like these kinds of days, we are first and foremost men and women of sport and we believe in athletics," said John Furlong, VANOC's chief executive officer.

"This is a matter that's been far from our reach and our influence and we simply didn't have any jurisdiction here … these girls have tried very hard, they have put up a very good fight."

VANOC pointed out that the organization has hosted and funded several women's ski jumping events since the Olympic facilities opened almost two years ago.

Calgary jumper Charlotte Mitchell said she was crushed by the decision, but it's not over.

"We did have a fair trial we think, we just can't give up, we've just got to keep fighting," Mitchell said.

The case raised questions about exactly who is in control of the Games. For the charter to apply, the body in question must be either a government agency or carrying out a government program.

The women had argued that the Games are a government activity.

But VANOC argued the government had no decision-making power over the Olympics, as that power rests solely with the IOC.

The international body voted in 2006 not to include women's ski jumping at the Games, saying the sport had not met the required technical criteria and to add them would violate elements of the Olympic charter that govern the operations of a Games.

Ski jumping is the only sport at either the Winter or Summer Games without events for both men and women since the IOC voted earlier this year to include women's boxing at the Summer Olympics.

Women's ski jumping will be on the program for the upcoming 2010 Youth Olympic Games and the international body that governs ski jumping has said they will press for its inclusion for the 2014 Winter Games in Sochi, Russia.

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    Lisa Sun Nov 29, 2009 08:41 am PST Report Abuse
    another example of the media only writing what is needed to sell papers
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    Sun Nov 15, 2009 01:10 pm PST Report Abuse
    thank you posters 214 and 215 for showing some reason! Geez, people are falling all over themselves to identify threats to their human rights. There is more to life than innate rights to this, that and the next thing. This constant falling back on 'human rights' is really a cop out. Live life and if something stands in your way, conquer it, don't go running to the first lawyer willing to take on your 'human rights' case. Honestly. If these ski jumping women had any gumption, they would have petitioned the IOC to allow them to present women's ski jumping as a demonstration sport in the hopes that it would arouse greater interest in their sport, resulting in an increase world wide in the participation of women in their sport, which would then result in future olympics including this sport. If a system doesn't work for you, learn about the system and master playing it to your advantage. Whining about it and blaming others for your sorrows only makes you a loser with a problem you've done nothing to fix.
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    Jay Sat Nov 14, 2009 08:49 pm PST Report Abuse
    Who cares? Do it for the love not to win some medals or whatever.

    Do you like ski jumping? Well good for you, why don't you continue to do it then regardless of whether or not it's "recognized as a sport" by the IOC?

    My SO could care less about this. She doesn't see why everyone is up in arms about this. So what? You can't compete, just continue to keep doing it by yourself or do they ban you from even going on the ramp? Once the sport gets more established and "brings in the money" I'm sure the IOC won't ignore it and disregard it much longer. Until then the athletes should just keep doing their thing regardless of if you can get a shiny medal or not.
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    Micah Sat Nov 14, 2009 07:00 pm PST Report Abuse
    Ok let me clear something up in one short lesson here since nobody actually read the damn article.

    THE GUYS WHO WERE DECIDING IN THE TRIAL SAID:
    "This is a matter that's been far from our reach and our influence and we simply didn't have any jurisdiction here … these girls have tried very hard, they have put up a very good fight."

    THEY DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION. IF THESE WOMEN WANT IT TO CHANGE, PETITION TO THE IOC. WHY THE HELL WOULD THE BC PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT HAVE ANYYY JURISDICTION OVER THE OLYMPIC GAMES?

    THE GOVERNMENT OF BC DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION.

    That would be like the government of Ontario telling me that I am not allowed to, at my own private function, only allow people of one sex. THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO RIGHT TO SAY WHAT SPORTS ARE AND ARE NOT IN THE OLYMPICS, NOR WHICH GENDER SHOULD HAVE A TEAM IN WHICH.

    THE GOVERNMENT OF BC DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION.

    If these women had thought PROPERLY, they would petition the only governing body who actually controls anything to do with the olympics, and that is the IOC.
    READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE YOU POST. DEAR GOD.

    I'm going to repeat myself several times here so that you understand.
    THE GOVERNMENT OF BC DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION.
    THE GOVERNMENT OF BC DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION.
    THE GOVERNMENT OF BC DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION.
    THE GOVERNMENT OF BC DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION.
    THE GOVERNMENT OF BC DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION.
    THE GOVERNMENT OF BC DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION.
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    anna Sat Nov 14, 2009 06:49 pm PST Report Abuse
    dats @#$%in bs ! wtf @#$%in judges how da @#$% is dat not gender discrimination?? @#$% and i thot canada wuz dun wit dat @#$%. dis @#$%in pisses me off, also why aint da women takin a stand? why da @#$% do sum othe ppl get 2 tellem dey cant @#$%in compete jus cuz dey are women! @#$%in hell, ppl.
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    anna Sat Nov 14, 2009 06:47 pm PST Report Abuse
    dats @#$%in bs ! wtf @#$%in judges how da @#$% is dat not gender discrimination?? @#$% and i thot canada wuz dun wit dat @#$%. dis @#$%in pisses me off, also why aint da women takin a stand? why da @#$% do sum othe ppl get 2 tellem dey cant @#$%in compete jus cuz dey are women! @#$%in hell, ppl.
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    strollinthepark Sat Nov 14, 2009 06:39 pm PST Report Abuse
    I cannot believe this.....WHY!?!?!?!
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    Sat Nov 14, 2009 06:36 pm PST Report Abuse
    Race Rocks if you don't let me be your synchronized spitting against the wind partner just because I can't keep up with your horking tempo, I'm going to sue you for discriminating against the spitting impaired. PS: I'm a woman; hope that's not a problem for you.
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    race.rocks Sat Nov 14, 2009 06:22 pm PST Report Abuse
    Too many idiots in Canada.
    That is concerning, not having a group of whining woman denied the 'God given right' to compete in a non-existing Olympic discipline.
    If they win and get to compete I will sue for the same reason and DEMAND in a new discipline called 'Synchronized spitting against the wind'. Why not? It might become an Olympic discipline based on Canadian legal system recommendation.
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    Some Common Sense Sat Nov 14, 2009 06:12 pm PST Report Abuse
    Regarding post 212:

    Gee, I just bet employers are pounding down your door with job offers these days huh? Oh no wait, when you cant get a job it will have nothing to do with you suing your last 2 employers, it will be discrimination wont it, silly me what was I thinking, duh?
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    Irene Sat Nov 14, 2009 05:51 pm PST Report Abuse
    This is Discrimination---PERIOD!!!
    Nothing more to say.

    Comming from someone who was discriminated against twice within a year, and won both cases.
    LADIES---- Keep up your fight.
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    Sat Nov 14, 2009 05:42 pm PST Report Abuse
    So, according to the quote in post 210, men are actually more discriminated against by the IOC as sports in which they participate require a higher rate of participation per capita to qualify as a men's event because men generally tend to participate in sports more than women. The IOC is simply applying statistical facts to make logical decisions, people. Otherwise, you'd have every joker who can take a breath without passing out and organize a team of like-skilled jokers to attend competitions of their 'skill' applying to have their particular skills represented and the olympics would be months long. If there are not enough women worldwide skiing down ramps and landing well, it wouldn't be much of a competition for the two or three countries in which women do engage in the sport. Isn't it great to be Canadian? We can twist anything into a human rights issue as long as we can get enough people who are unwilling to do their own independent thinking and just jump onto whatever bandwagon the media send their way without questioning what they're being told.
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    Sat Nov 14, 2009 05:25 pm PST Report Abuse
    Kerry M is right - apparently, the IOC determines which sports to include in any one year based on prevalence of the sport in all the participating countries. No point having an event in which only one or two countries are represented; otherwise, think of all those people who would be discriminated against based on their nationality. Human rights my a$@. See below...
    "A sport or discipline is included in the Olympic program if the IOC determines that it is widely practiced around the world, that is, the number of countries that compete in a given sport is the indicator of the sport's prevalence. The IOC's requirements reflect participation in the Olympic Games as well — more stringent toward men (as they are represented in higher numbers) and Summer sports (as more nations compete in the Summer Olympics). Sports may not depend primarily on mechanical propulsion, though there were power-boating events in the early days of the Olympics.[2] [9]".

    Relax folks, women not having a chance to participate in a sport in the olympics is not death to human rights in Canada. Get a grip.
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    inhisgrace007 Sat Nov 14, 2009 05:19 pm PST Report Abuse
    The Olympic Committee should comply to the Canada Charter - in fact regardless of the Canada Charter there is NO GOOD reason to keep women from Ski Jumping!! They have competed in other downhill sports why not this one?
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    Some Common Sense Sat Nov 14, 2009 05:16 pm PST Report Abuse
    Just another example of some women using the gender discrimination card the same way some immigrants use the racism card to get what they want. This has NOTHING to do with gender, it has to do with womens ski jumping not being an equally competitive sport. There are very few countries can produce a competitive womens ski jumping team. You'll have the USA and Canada winning all the medals. Womens hockey should be scrubbed for this very same reason. There are only 2 competitive countries constantly winning the gold and silver medals, Canada and the USA.

    All women should be absolutely ashamed of these women ski jumpers behaviour as well as some of the blogs on here. Some of the blogs are unbelievably repulsive. You're behaving worse then the worse man could ever act. You earn respect, you dont demand it; something several women on this blog fail to understand.
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    etriganbulldog Sat Nov 14, 2009 05:13 pm PST Report Abuse
    NOTHING should pre-empt Canadas Charter or sovereignty, ESPECIALLY in Canada. Why isn't EVERYONE speaking up? It's a private club that spends YOUR tax dollars, so where does this "ruling" come from? Why isn't the government bemoaning our "lax judiciary" this time?
    This is similar to the Florida recount ruling, which said that yes it was illegal , for future reference, but that it was too late to do anything now!
    Just plain wrong!
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    misslaura607 Sat Nov 14, 2009 05:13 pm PST Report Abuse
    It really bothers me that in this day and age women are still not allowed to compete in a sport
    that they are quite capable of competing in. I think this is a discrimination case and the Olympic
    organizers should be ashamed. If women want to compete in ski jumping in the Olympics they
    should be allowed.
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    danlyon@rock... Sat Nov 14, 2009 05:13 pm PST Report Abuse
    Who cares?!?! nobody I have EVER met is into ski jumping?!? This is a sport that caters to maybe .0001% of the Canadian or world population. Get rid of these obscure sports and lets promote more mainstream sports.
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    holmsey Sat Nov 14, 2009 05:03 pm PST Report Abuse
    this is a world (not U.S.A. world) the real world event and has nothing to do with the canadian charter and what the judges decide,,thats it,,there is no such thing as a world charter of rights for which to fight your cause eh
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    Nat. Sat Nov 14, 2009 04:29 pm PST Report Abuse
    Oh, cry me a river !!...get over it.
    You know it was 't going to pass the judges,so just wait till 2012.
    wa,wa,wa !!
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    Garry B Sat Nov 14, 2009 04:20 pm PST Report Abuse
    That's all we need. Another group trying to embarass our Country with some kind of boycott.
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    stony Sat Nov 14, 2009 04:19 pm PST Report Abuse
    first off the ioc sucks ,this is rediculous the olympics should be about equality and be all inclusive ,genderless and borderless,i will not be supporting or promoting the olympics in anyway.im disapointed that unjustices like this can be happening in canada in 2009 wake up people this is not acceptable and people should voice thier distaste in the ioc. how can we be stupid enough to host these game when our economy is pooched we are living off the investments in the olympics and after the games the bills will roll in and we will hit our morebund economic the bills will come on top and our false jobs will have ended then will will see our economy and our kids futures going in the potty we sold out our children for a two week party. to bad so sad . tst sunshine coast.
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    snowbunny Sat Nov 14, 2009 04:06 pm PST Report Abuse
    omg thats so sad
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    walter Sat Nov 14, 2009 03:56 pm PST Report Abuse
    i have to take the side of the Olympics on this one, I know i sound sexist but i'm tired of seeing things made for boys/men/males being forced to include females, like a perfect example is scouts/cubs/etc... they cry now cause they have short fundings but now they have to rent double the camp site because females have to be included. Leave some things to Males and other things to females.
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    Eric Sat Nov 14, 2009 03:54 pm PST Report Abuse
    Ugh, this is so immature of the courts. Women should have equal rights when compared to males. It's really sickening to see the judges to do something like this. These girls worked so hard to get the right to play, and they got turned down because of ignorance. Keep trying girls, you can succeed. Not everyone still lives in the dark ages!

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