Patriots Team Report

INSIDE SLANT

Sunday’s season finale lacks the buzz last year’s final game packed, for this season the Patriots have already clinched a playoff spot with one game remaining on their schedule.

Last year, with Matt Cassel(notes) at the helm, the Patriots needed to win and get some help from around the league to sneak into the postseason. They held up their end of the bargain, but the rest of the NFL did not cooperate, so the Patriots sat at home for the playoffs for the first time in five years.

The fact this year’s team has already punched its ticket to the playoffs speaks volumes about being good enough to control your own destiny. While this season was far from perfect, the Patriots did finish 8-0 at home, which somewhat gets overshadowed by the fact they’re only 2-5 on the road heading into Sunday’s finale at Houston.

By defending their home turf all season, the Patriots made their road woes somewhat tolerable. The 8-0 record at Gillette, coupled with an inferior field in the AFC East, allowed the Patriots to essentially cruise to the division title without much resistance. The Dolphins and Jets stayed on their heels for most of the season, but never appeared to be a serious threat to usurp the Patriots.

So, with what amounts to a meaningless game against the Texans on deck this weekend, the Patriots can spend parts of this week scouting the competition in the AFC as they await their first-round playoff opponent.

The only thing up for grabs is seeding; the Patriots will either be No. 3 or 4 in the AFC. The Cincinnati Bengals will claim whichever seed New England doesn’t get, therefore those two teams won’t play one another in the opening round. The likely opponent for New England will be either Baltimore or the New York Jets. Both teams can wrap up wild-card spots with victories on Sunday. The Broncos are still on the bubble, but they need a lot of help to get in.

The Patriots beat both the Ravens and Jets this year at home, which is where this assumed wild-card rematch will take place. The threat of getting bounced in the opening round really isn’t a concern; Patriots fans are more worried about the team travelling to either Indianapolis or San Diego in the divisional round.

For now, though, the only thing the Patriots can worry about is emerging from Sunday’s finale with their health intact. They might have to sit some of their starters to do so, which might not be a bad idea since they don’t have a first-round bye in the playoffs this season.

In the past, the Patriots have played their starters through Week 17 with the playoffs on the horizon, mainly because they knew they had an extra week’s worth of rest and they didn’t want their key players getting rusty between the finale and the opening playoff game.

Teams with a first-round bye have come out flat in the divisional round in years’ past, namely the 2005 Colts, who began resting starters in Week 16 with home-field advantage locked up early and subsequently lost their playoff opener to Pittsburgh at home.

Given head coach Bill Belichick’s experience in these situations, it’s unlikely the Patriots will drop the ball in terms of preparation. All that’s left now is to watch and wait as the playoff scenarios unfold Sunday afternoon. Thanks to their ability to control their own destiny, the Patriots can enjoy a relatively stress-free weekend.

Series History:   3rd regular-season meeting. Patriots lead series 2-0. The underdog Texans gave the Patriots all they could handle in the first game of this series in 2003 at Reliant Stadium, a 23-20 overtime victory for New England. The game nearly ended in a tie. The Patriots went on to win their second Super Bowl in three years that season.

NOTES, QUOTES

—The only other time the Patriots played at Reliant Stadium was in Super Bowl XXXVIII against the Carolina Panthers. New England won, 32-29, on the second Super Bowl-winning field goal of Adam Vinatieri’s(notes) career.

That game is noteworthy for being the first Super Bowl involving the Patriots not played at the Super Dome in New Orleans. John Kasay’s(notes) botched kickoff in the fourth quarter gave New England the ball at its own 40-yard line and set the stage for Vinatieri’s winning kick.

• Though his experience against Houston is limited, Patriots QB Tom Brady(notes) did rack up one of his all-time highest yardage totals against the Texans in 2003 at Reliant Stadium. Brady completed 29 of his 47 pass attempts in the overtime victory with two touchdowns, two interceptions and 368 yards.

• This year’s playoff berth adds another notch to the team’s success under owner Robert Kraft. Since Kraft purchased the team in 1994, the Patriots have qualified for the playoffs 11 times in 16 seasons with three Super Bowl championships and five conference titles.

By contrast, the Patriots only made the playoffs six times in their 34-year existence prior to Kraft’s purchase of the team.

• On Sunday, the Patriots will play a regular-season game in January for just the seventh time in team history. The Patriots are 5-1 in January in the regular season, with their most recent game coming in 2006 in a 28-26 loss to Miami at Gillette Stadium.

Under Belichick, the Patriots are 3-1 in regular-season games played in January.

• This year’s 8-0 record at Gillette marked the fourth time in team history the Patriots have finished undefeated at home during the regular season.

The first three times they accomplished this feat (2003, 2004 and 2007), they advanced to the Super Bowl. However, they also had home-field advantage throughout the playoffs in each of those three seasons.

• WR Randy Moss’(notes) three-touchdown game was the second time in 2009 that he has had three touchdowns in a game. He also had three against the Tennessee Titans in October. Moss now has nine games in his career with three or more touchdowns, including four games with three or more as a member of the Patriots.

• Brady posted his team-record third season with more than 4,000 passing yards. Brady was tied with Drew Bledsoe(notes) with two 4,000-yard seasons. Brady had 4,110 yards passing in 2005 and a team-record 4,806 passing yards in 2007. He is the ninth NFL player to have three 4,000-yard seasons.

Brady entered the Jacksonville game needing 55 yards to reach the milestone and reached 4,000 yards on a 26-yard touchdown pass to TE Chris Baker in the second quarter. He now has 4,212 yards passing for the season.

By The Numbers:   14—The number of times Tom Brady has earned AFC offensive player of the week honors, after earning the award twice this season, for his 378-yard passing effort in the Patriots’ come-from-behind 25-24 win on opening week vs. Buffalo and for a six-TD effort vs. Tennessee.

Quote To Note:   “Don’t get it twisted … I love the Pro Bowl win but hope I can’t go because I will be at Super Bowl the next week.”—NT Vince Wilfork(notes) on his Twitter page discussing his nomination to the 2009 Pro Bowl.

STRATEGY AND PERSONNEL

With a playoff berth already wrapped up, there won’t be much to watch for Sunday in terms of personnel groupings since the Patriots might rest some of the starters with a wild-card game on deck the following weekend.

Though not quite as drastic, this weekend’s game in Houston might be similar to how the Patriots treat their final preseason game each year. Consider this an opportunity for some of the little-used players to lobby for more playing time either in the playoffs or next season.

As usual, Belichick has kept quiet on who will play Sunday and for how long, though it’s unlikely Brady will be out there the entire time since he is nursing finger, rib and shoulder injuries that have had an effect on his performance.

With that said, keep an eye on how rookie Brian Hoyer(notes) plays in his backup role. Hoyer’s performance could determine what the Patriots do in the offseason regarding personnel decisions in anticipation of the 2010 draft, so while this game means little in the standings, it could have an impact on who’ll be around the following year.

Player Notes  

• QB Tom Brady has not participated in practice all week as he continues to nurse a series of lingering ailments. There’s a good chance he either won’t play at all Sunday or only take a handful of snaps.

• WR Randy Moss has been out of practice, though it’s not injury related according to the Patriots. Moss is one of several veterans whose playing time will likely be limited Sunday.

• OL Nick Kaczur(notes) is back in practice despite a shoulder injury and will likely be in the lineup for Sunday’s season finale. Kaczur will be part of the rotation with rookie Sebastian Vollmer(notes).

• WR Wes Welker(notes) has participated in limited portions of practice this week, though his absence is not injury related. This is more than likely a precautionary move to give Welker some rest with the playoffs beginning next weekend.

• DE Jarvis Green(notes) is still nursing a knee injury and has only participated in limited portions of practice this week. Ideally, the Patriots would like to work him back into the rotation Sunday, but it remains to be seen whether or not he’ll be healthy enough to suit up.

• LB Jerod Mayo(notes) earned praise from Bill Belichick for his performance and leadership this season—just his second in the NFL. Mayo led the team with 15 tackles in last week’s victory.

Game Plan:   The most simplistic plan for Sunday’s season finale is to keep everyone of importance healthy for next weekend’s playoff opener; however, this game could be a precursor of what the Patriots will face in the postseason.

The Texans still have a shot at making the playoffs, albeit a slim one, so they’ll be playing to win. Their most efficient plan of attack is throwing the ball. With Matt Schaub(notes) at quarterback and Andre Johnson(notes) serving as his No. 1 target, the Texans rank second in the league in passing.

The Patriots have given up their share of big plays and even with Brandon Meriweather’s(notes) Pro Bowl-caliber season, they’re still a bit dicey in the secondary, so this will be a strong test on the road featuring a few matchups the coaching staff should pay attention to.

Matchups To Watch:   Patriots CB Leigh Bodden(notes) vs. Texans WR Andre Johnson. This is a great test for Bodden, who may very well face another superstar receiver in the postseason, particularly in the second round if the Patriots are fortunate enough to get that far. Johnson is as good as they come, so facing him is like swinging a weighted bat in the on-deck circle before stepping into the batter’s box with a real Louisville Slugger.

Patriots LT Matt Light(notes) vs. Texans DE Mario Williams(notes). Once again, we have an individual matchup where a Patriot is facing one of the best in the game at his respective position. In this case, it’s Williams, who is one of the NFL’s premier pass-rushers and a threat to cause disruption on any given play. The Patriots might see plenty of players like him in the postseason, so, again, this is a good test for the offensive line in general.

Patriots NT Mike Wright(notes) vs. Texans C Chris Myers(notes). This is a good matchup of note because Wright likely will get some snaps at nose tackle assuming Vince Wilfork exits the game after a handful of series. Wright has been a versatile player all season and might be asked to play some nose in the playoffs, too, so why not test his might against one of the league’s most formidable centers?

Injury Impact:   This game won’t tell us much in terms of who’s ailing and who’s not, because the Patriots likely will rest their starters regardless of status. However, keep an eye on how the carries are split up for running backs. Fred Taylor(notes) is back after missing several weeks with a knee injury and it’ll be interesting to see how his body held up from last week’s workload (11 carries, 35 yards) in his first game back in the lineup.

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    Beef Sat Jan 02, 2010 05:38 pm PST Report Abuse
    mccue_d......Well written and concise. Pat's rule dude. The Colts have gotten past the Pat's once (I think)...bottom line is....Brady was picked 199....I think the scouts knew that Manning was going to be a good one because of ALL of his attributes...I think that Brady is better because he DOES have a greater Football IQ than Manning...even with Daddy's tutelage. Peyton’s arm is stronger, he has more College (definitely) and Pro starts than Brady…Yet Brady has a better winning pct (.770 to .686), also, More SB titles. Peyton Manning is a HOF QB, no doubt. .770 winning percentage could be considered domination, not including the 11-5 mark that the kid from USC posted. 3 titles in 10 years, not quite Steelers and Cowboys, but they didn’t have a salary cap either. As far as hours and work put into the game, do you carry Peyton’s jock around and witness this? Kid must of put in a little work…3SB titles and a .770 pct with only a few snaps in college. I must say though, Tony Dungy doesn’t have half the football IQ Bill Belichick has, of course his dad (Steve) did tutor him. As far as supporting cast, yeah, you really shouldn’t try to make those comparison’s. Of course Moss and Welker are pretty good at what they do. And Reche Caldwell could never hold Marvin’s jock. I think Deon Branch did win a SB MVP, again, he couldn’t hold Marvin’s jock either. Nice ring though. Reggie Wayne wishes he could be like Troy Brown. He never will. Edgerrin James was a god compared to Antwoin Smith but overrated compared to Corey Dillon. On defense, again, you shouldn’t compare. Bruschi, Harrison, Samuel and Seymour (4 out of 11, dam near half) are quite missed. Belichick makes a lot of difference in this category; it’s the reason why the Colts have trouble with the Pat’s in the playoffs. Two great teams, two great QB’s. I think I give the nod to Brady though. As far as this year, well Brady did get slaughtered last year in the first game. Maybe the 7-5 mark can be attributed to that. All this is moot until the season is over. I like the Pat’s chances in the playoffs. Colts win this year is, well, you know (at least you should)…I thought Faulk had the first down. Bla Bla Bla, we’ll chat again next year. This is SB 44. My old number. Could be destiny. Oh, one more thing…the tuck rule…well….it was a rule.
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    Beef Sat Jan 02, 2010 04:43 pm PST Report Abuse
    Idiot is wrong...Pat's played the Texans in Reliant the same year they one the SB....I was there.
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    Javier S Thu Dec 31, 2009 09:56 am PST Report Abuse
    Ohhh, come on!!!!!!! Brees will need 6 more seasons like this one to be in the same level than Tom and Peyton; no doubt the best QB ever played. However Peyton have always had better targets than Tom; his performance has been individually the best so far... he will be, no doubt, the king of all statistics at that position, but it is very unlikely that he will have more than 2 rings along his career. Brady... well, Brady have a team around him, so, whe he can not pull the rabbit from the hat, someone in the team does (unlike Peyton, that have to do everything by himself), and please recall the 11-5 of the ls season without Tommy boy. It is likely that Brady will end up far from Peyton is lifelong stats, but with two or three more rings; Does that make him better QB than Peyton? NOOOO, but that does not mean that Peyton is better than him too... different guys, different styles, different teams... In the future, the opinions will remain splitted like they are now, half and a half... and for Drew, Philip, Ben, Matt, and Brett... Canton will wait for them, if they want.... they are superb QB, but just a notch over them are the cute supermodel smiling Tommy boy and his "I sell everything" budy.
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    kim g Tue Dec 29, 2009 02:09 am PST Report Abuse
    I tend to place Pout'in Manning with Brett Farverbean in the talent dept. Great regular season guys with some playoff success, but mostly a choke artist at that point in the season...Brady better in most areas than pout'in.....and as far as PM working hard? At what? Licking Oreos with his brother? Too busy making commercials to be THAT hard of a worker..........
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    Pat's apologist Mon Dec 28, 2009 08:34 am PST Report Abuse
    YO" D" Had Brady the receivers Peyton CHRIST had ,Through out his career.He may have had the 06 S.B. to his credits.RECE CALDWELL to Mannings Harrison,Wayne and Clark. Are you fkn kidding me??Brees when all is said and done better than Brady??? Your right about Brady not being in the same CLASS as Peyton CHRIST.He's in a class above Peyton.Tell ya what.Add Peyton CHRIST S.B. ring with his brother's Eli MAHOMMAD and Brady still has 1 more ring than they do.Your Brees comment lost you all crediability.
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    d Sun Dec 27, 2009 08:09 am PST Report Abuse
    when it's all said and done Brees will be a better QB than Brady , stats wise

    greatest QB of all time ? there's far too many factors to decide between decades of different styles of play from slingy sammy to otto graham , how many rings would he have had?
    no one played QB harder than Fran Tarkington

    my point is, is that Brady is not in the same class as Peyton
    NO QB today works harder , studies more , audibles at the line, fake signals at the line , notebooks from playing different Def coordinators for years and produces ,
    and from a fantasy point , other than Clark and Wayne , Peyton spreads the ball around so much better than anyone but Brees
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    Tired of Nitwits Wed Dec 23, 2009 02:51 am PST Report Abuse
    mccue_d...What's pathetic is you....a Manning ballwasher if ever there was one!...Douchebag!!
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    Pat's apologist Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:35 am PST Report Abuse
    Reminds me of the OLD DAYS when we did'nt know if we were gonna make the playoffs or not.Kinda exciting.Oviously we are not the dominate team of 07.But its gonna be fun.Have to admit i got spoiled the past decade.But WHAT A DECADE!!!I Still feel we have 1 more S.B. run with this team.But with coach Bill and rebuilding.I feel it maybe a year or 3 before we we can challenge consistantly.PROUD to be a patriots fan for 40 years.
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    Pat's apologist Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:55 pm PST Report Abuse
    ANGIE Theres no comparison til PEYTON CHRIST can acheive what Tom has its clear whos BETTER.In case you did'nt read between the lines BRADY IS!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Ange Sat Dec 19, 2009 09:45 am PST Report Abuse
    I love how even just a team report for the current weekly matchup somehow generates into whos better Peyton or Brady.
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    Pat's apologist Fri Dec 18, 2009 02:33 am PST Report Abuse
    Its the OFFENSE thats the PROBLEM not the DEFENSE!Brady and THAT offense should score many more times than they have.OMG SOMEBODY PLEASE STOP PEYTON CHRIST!! I can barely stand to watch the CLEET KISSING on the sports networks! aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
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    Pat's apologist Thu Dec 17, 2009 01:27 am PST Report Abuse
    nice MIKE nice
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    Mike Tue Dec 15, 2009 06:52 am PST Report Abuse
    Elijah H... your stats are incorrect, Brady became a starter in 2001, This is 2009, making this his NINTH season... also he didn't play in 2008 so he did all that in 8 seasons. Also he has 220 TD's... not 217.

    Brady averages 27.5 ATD's/season
    Manning 29.75 TD's/season

    Brady 3 Superbowl Rings... Peyton...1

    To say that the comparison is not even close is ludacris... so why don't you do a little research first

    Oh yea, Manning averages almost 15 INT's a year to Brady's 12...
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    DeShanta Fri Dec 11, 2009 09:41 am PST Report Abuse
    So how does that make the Colts a great team. The Patriots are a great team because they can win with or withouts Brady's great leadership, yeah they are having a less than perfect season. For a team to depend on one person and to not be able to advance without that person, I wouldn't be proud of that. The fact the Patriots can win without Brady, shows how much of a team they are and how well Bill and Brady have supported and led this team. To be able to win a war with your general says a lot about that team and their general. So let's not get over the fact that because the Colts are 10-0 or 11-0 that makes him better than Brady, cause it doesn't. This is just one season to Brady's many.
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    Pat's apologist Wed Dec 09, 2009 02:14 am PST Report Abuse
    MCCUE_D Thats a whole lot of speculation contact me when it comes to fruition.But your right about Brady having 3 rings to Mannings 1.Tell ya what, why don't you throw in the younger retards ring and and make it THE MANNINGS 2 BRADY 3.LOL (your pathetic)
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    Patriot Wed Dec 09, 2009 01:57 am PST Report Abuse
    Uh...I'm a Patriots fan, but I wouldn't classify Chad Henne as a JOURNEYMAN QB...He hasn't been around LONG enough to be a journeyman QB...He's only been around for 2 years...

    I'd call him the heir apparent to Dan Marino...10 years later, but he's been the best they've had since Marino. Jay Fiedler was good for a year or 2...but that was all...
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    Dave Wed Dec 09, 2009 01:38 am PST Report Abuse
    HEYY THE TRUTH............. how bout them Pats huh. they get absolutely SMASHED!!! by the Saints. that was impressive. i dont know what was more embarrasing. the fact that the Pats actually thought they had a chance or the fact that the Rams scored more pts and let up less when they faced the Saints. the Pats secondary couldnt stop the Dolphins at this point. oh wait thats right they lost to them too. man they're looking great huh. how bout that Brady. hmmmm12-0 or 7-5 with FAAAAAR LESS TALENT on offense. gee i'd loooove to see what your gonna say next.haha geee looks like Peyton is gonna win yet another MVP and SB ring #2 of 3 is well on its way. so after Peyton wins another ring, will you finally admit what the whole world already knows. that the QB comparison between Brady and Manning is just pathetic. it really is sad. there's no comparison. so get over the rings, and get over Brady being a 6th round pick. what does that mean when evaluating a player. besides nothing. Manning was the #1 pick. and considering he'll be a 1st ballot HOF player. he'll hold the record for most yards. and TD's and he'll have 3 rings. if not definitely 2 after this years SB. he's the greatest QB of all time. the rings mean jack @#$% tho. cause even with Manning winning 1 ring and Brady 3. a poll asked who ppl would rather have on their team. Brady or Manning. and 53% said Manning. and this was taken in the Pats 07 season where they choked in the SB. you may wanna lick Brady's nuts along with every other Pats fan. but facts are facts. Manning is now and will always be the greatest QB of all time. the Pats have " genius Belicheck" Brady. Moss who should be able to put up 150 yds a game if he actually gave a @#$% about football. and Welker who no1 wants to cover and theyre 7-5 in a division with the Jets Dolphins and Bills. they are embarrasing. but Manning just does what he does every single year. win at least 12 games with Sanders out half the year, with an average defense at best. rookie receivers. and another MVP. one day you'll admit that the comparisons between Brady and Manning is pathetic.
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    Dave Wed Dec 09, 2009 01:15 am PST Report Abuse
    this is to post 143 Don M. thats an incorrect statement. every1 outside of NE hates. repeat HATES the Pats. and most ppl prefer Manning over Brady. and thats not an opinion, thats a fact there was a poll taken in 07( the year the Pats almost ran the table) who they'd rather have on their team Manning or Brady. Manning won the poll 53% to 47%. i would take Manning in every way shape and form without even a flinch or a blink of an eye. i could go on for days why. but ill try to make it short and sweet. 1st off you and every other Pats fan needs to get over the rings. when was the last time they won 1? who was the last one to win one, the colts or pats? alright shut up. next off, if the Pats had Vanderjagt on their team your looking at 4 SB's with ZERO rings. cause Brady has never thrown a game winning TD in a SB. they won 3 SB's on 3 Vinateiri FG's so get over yourself. and if the bull@#$% tuck rule never happened. your talking no SB that year, possibly Bledsoe being the QB the next year. and thats a fact. i dont even call them a dynasty. the Steelers on the 70's thats a dynasty. they completely dominated teams. now with Manning and Brady. all you Pats fans from 01-05 said all this @#$% like " oh Manning has all the star receivers and a better offense to work with and Brady has nothing. switch the offenses and than see what happens" yyyyyup thats now happened and Manning is 12-0. hes without question the greatest QB to ever play pro football outside of maybe Montana( gee, who had the 2nd best defense of the decade, the best RB of the 80's and the greatest receiver and coach of all-time). there's no smarter QB ever to play football than Manning. Tom Brady doesnt have half the football IQ than Manning does. Manning puts more work and hours into a season than any1 in football. they win at least 10 games every year. he's 12-0 without 3 of 4 starting players in the secondary. including defensive player of the year Bob Sanders. they are starting rookie corners. they have 2 rookie receivers. they have a pathetic RB. and the 32nd(dead last) ranked rush offense. he has 2 rookie starters on the line. and has only been sacked 10 times all year. 10 frigin times. with 2 rookie lineman. outside of wayne and clark he has nothing to work with. a 16th ranked defense. a kicker they just picked off the streets. and a rookie head coach. and basically Peyton is the offensive coordinator as well as the QB. while the Pats have Moss. Welker. a great kicker. a supposed " genius" coach. and 3 capable running backs. and theyre 7-5. and you have the nuts to sit here and argue with every1 that Brady is a better QB than Manning. are you high man. take Belicheck's advice and get over the past. stop living off the rings. you havnt won 1 in 5 years. this is now. and its not even a competition on who the better QB is. if you took that poll today, tomorrow, next week or next year. its stil gonna be the same every single time you take it. out of 100 people you will never get more than 50 to say theyd take Brady over Manning unless you took it in Boston. period. so do me a favor and get over the rings. cause after Manning wins #2 this year, i wont even bring that up. cause its pointless when comparing these QB's cause Brady didnt win @#$%. Vinateiri did. and to say one more thing. when their careers are over it will be 3 to 3 in rings i can promise you that. so keep living on your rings. your retarded dude. you have no idea how dumb you sound. its like saying Roethlisberger is better than Drew Brees. well hey man he won a few ringsso he must be better right. the rings dont determine who's a better QB. the player does. and his whole resume, remember that
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    Robot.Bass Tue Dec 08, 2009 06:46 am PST Report Abuse
    I think the C's are generous grades.
    Passing D
    Running C-
    Pass Defense F
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    Bob D Tue Dec 08, 2009 06:16 am PST Report Abuse
    These top teams are where they are for playing the Pats. The Colts and the Saints are on top because they figured out how to stop the the Pats. So they are doing to us what we used to do to them. The Pats are struggling for sure and kind of stink this season. Belichek has to come up with a new strategy , something the other teams have to figure out again to beat them .We'll see !
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    Flyin Elvis Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:40 pm PST Report Abuse
    Hey greeknutz2003 lick my Maine sack!!! Spell that fool!!
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    Pat's apologist Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:04 am PST Report Abuse
    Oh and one more thing D0UCHE BAG the Patriots went to 2 other super bowls with Tony Eason and Drew Bledsoe and did'nt win.They went to the super bowl 4 other times with Mr.Tom Brady and won 3 times.Just stating the facts.My point being and anyone with any intelligence can deduce from that.
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    Pat's apologist Thu Dec 03, 2009 09:58 am PST Report Abuse
    ELIJHA H Are you retarded boy?? The end result is SUPER BOWLS !!! What a @#$%. Heres some facts Brady 10 years 4 super bowls 3 wins Manning 12 year 1 super bowl.Ask Dan Marino if he'd trade all those stats for a ring.WHAT A D0UCHE BAG YOU ARE.
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    Elijah H Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:20 pm PST Report Abuse
    I'm not even a Colts fan, I'm actually a lowly Raider fan. I know my team isn't very good and I didn't get on here to bash the Patriots. I read this page because I read a lot about every team.

    Mostly the problem is, is that I the Patriots can win without Brady... Hell, they are a team capable of winning a lot of games without Brady. The Colts on the other hand would not win without Manning. If he went down for the year at the beginning of the season, the Colts would not have won 11 games.

    Brady isn't what makes the Pats win, I'm just stating he isn't THE man. Peyton Manning is. =)
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    Don M Wed Dec 02, 2009 05:08 am PST Report Abuse
    and brady was taken as a compensatory pick at the end of the 6th round, pick # 199.

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