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You don't really want the 2008 version of Team USA to get into a slugfest with the earlier versions of itself, because you'd put yourself in position to do a disservice to both this team and the one you're comparing it to. As good as basketball has become, across the globe, there was no touching a 1992 team that featured Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone and John Stockton in their primes, with Scottie Pippen a year and a half away from his prime. Call it a case of bad timing. 

What you can do is establish criteria, and try to determine if Team USA has succeeded in doing what it was created to do. Namely, winning that gold medal.

Let's hit the internet, and ... successful!

End of column.

Word count? 132. Crap.

Well, are we supposed to expect a bit more from this group, a collection that seemed to have no issues with people referring to this team, rather presumptuously, as the "Redeem Team?"

Successful?

Did this team win, more or less, on its own merits? Did it need Michael Redd out there flinging threes, or a big man that was constantly putting it up from 21 feet, or any other supposed hallmark of what international ball is supposed to represent? No. It won without much derivation from what we know to be the NBA-style, while still respecting and taking into account the huge differences between FIBA-style hoops, and the NBA version.

Pay attention to that last part. All Team USA needed was to show some reverence, not dismiss, and not necessarily ape the international style. When in Rome, they didn't actually have to act as the Romans did; but they did well in not acting surprised or frightened when the Romans surrounding them actually acted like Romans, instead of acting like the Utah Jazz.

All that was needed, to start, was a bit of respect for the type of game and the credibility of the players they were about to face. The idea that Team USA could seemingly pass on scouting its own opponents (what appeared to happen in their 2006 loss to Greece in the World Championships) while assuming that just "playing our own game, guys" (not that Coach K is on the record as saying that, but ...) was the epitome of hubris.

You can't assume that every international player you come across is some lights-out shooter who can be bullied into coughing up the ball at half-court with a bit of pressure. Once Team USA realized that they weren't playing the JV team, things started to turn.

Successful?

Well, Dwyane Wade returned to showcase that dominant streak we saw from November of 2005 until February of 2007. He was brilliant.

LeBron James wasn't far behind, showcasing the sort of all-around play that has made him the NBA's best player.

Chris Bosh, whose Toronto Raptors just traded for an interior defender to help take the pressure off of a player whose reputation has long left him as a scorer first, second, and last, eventually turned into this team's defensive stopper. Bosh's ability to show on a pick and roll 22 feet from the hoop while getting back in time to guard the rim covered up the selection's committee's bum move in passing on adding some further interior help of its own.

Kobe Bryant struggled for a good part of this tournament with his shooting before coming alive with a whirlwind of scoring exploits in the fourth quarter of the gold medal game. And his perimeter defense, long overrated in the NBA, was dominant for long stretches; even against point guards who were younger and quicker than Kobe.

Redeem, redeem, redeem, redeem; successful, successful, successful, successful. Anyone else?

Nobody whined about minutes. Nobody was caught on the bench, barely hiding their frustrations at not being able to crack double-figure minutes in a 37-point win. Nobody whined about who started (except this guy), and nobody was caught moping in the face of the lineup that finished the lone close game against Spain.

Nobody appeared to do what competitive basketball players have been doing for over a hundred years -- letting their emotions get the best of them when it came to working through the vicissitudes of playing time and limited contributions.

That's not easy. It doesn't mean it's excusable, especially if you turn into an inveterate moaner, but it's hard to sit on that bench when you know that you could do just as well if not better than some of the guys on the floor. Gold medal be damned, man, it's tough to from your team's superstar to the 12th man. I don't care how great your attitude is or how great it should be. I don't want to hear any of this, "get it together, man, it's for the country!" Competitiveness is competitiveness.

Successful?

Those who weren't watching, or weren't paying attention, might regard Team USA's close win over Spain in the gold medal game as a bit of a letdown. After all, they had topped the Spanish team by 37 points a little over a week earlier, and the eventual silver medalists were without Jose Calderon. Left to run the team were 17-year old Ricky Rubio, and Juan Carlos Navarro; an undersized shooting guard whose assist ratio rivaled that of Troy Murphy's last season.

But there Spain was, no flukes, keeping things close while Team USA worked its tail off trying to keep things far, far apart. More than any other team outside of Team USA, Spain was a combined product featuring that whole "sum of its parts" ideal that doesn't always show up in international play, and yet these guys were still playing over their head.

Somehow, Team USA was as well. It was the perfect encapsulation of what these sorts of international tournaments mean, and for anyone who didn't know heading into this summer, now ya know.

In a seven game series, yeah, talent will out. Sometimes there will be a matchup issue, and the less talented team will prevail (Golden State, 2007), but the best team usually wins.

In a tournament? Where one game can end it? Where anyone can have a bad weekend? Things are different. One game, especially a 40 minute game, might not be enough to reasonably determine who is the better team, but that one game will make that distinction in the record books whether you like it or not. Which is why I wouldn't have been too disappointed if Team USA, playing the right way, still dropped one or two and failed to grab the gold.

Because, in 2006, they weren't playing the right way. Even in wins, it was obvious that this team had major holes, and needed to re-think its attitude if it wanted to prevail over the course of an entire tournament. And it caught up to them.

This time? They came out getting it mostly right from the get-go, which is why an unfortunate loss wouldn't have been a swift and final repudiation of the NBA-player-as-Olympian. Win or lose, these guys were getting it right, redeeming all over the place, and successful in their task.

That, and not the fact that they got to be on the tallest part of the medal stand, is what we should remember.

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  1. pepefantasy
    1. Posted by pepefantasy Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:30 pm EDT

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    Travelling!
  2. the REAL Headless Chicken
    2. Posted by the REAL Headless Chicken Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    They've done quite some things right. And I loved how anyone on the team was so out of breath from working their tails off. They took the others seriously and it showed. Congrats Team USA and sorry KD for having to whine about who starts...
  3. the REAL Headless Chicken
    3. Posted by the REAL Headless Chicken Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:12 pm EDT

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    Yeah Pepe, that's some travelling after all. Travelling home with a gold medal.
  4. pepefantasy
    4. Posted by pepefantasy Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:30 pm EDT

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    why this STUPID referee's attitude? US are better enough to win with the same rules as the rest.
  5. Trey
    5. Posted by Trey Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 pm EDT

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    "Win or lose, these guys were getting it right, redeeming all over the place, and successful in their task.
    That, and not the fact that they got to be on the tallest part of the medal stand, is what we should remember. "
    Maybe that's all we SHOULD remember, that they played the right way. But the fact is, when you're the best team, as USA is widely recognized to be, playing the right MUST result in a gold medal. Doesn't it stand to reason that the best team playing the right way should win the game 100% of the time?
  6. Devine
    6. Posted by Devine Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:39 pm EDT

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    Good stuff, KD, and exactly the right attitude -- the journey being more important than the destination, etc. That's why it's bugged me so much that since the game's end, Kobe has been the dominant story ... I by no means want to overlook the role he played down the stretch, but elevating him above, say, Bosh or Wade, seemed a misunderstanding of why this team and their run were important.
    What got me amped was the U.S. competing in this tournament not as some Colossus straddling Beijing, but rather just as a very, very good team intent on defeating other very, very good teams ... that, to me, was refreshing. It's not the same as '92, but nothing is. That it was still inspiring was redemption enough for me.
  7. sam spade
    7. Posted by sam spade Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:12 pm EDT

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    Well; iot was really a testament to Coach K. He dissected the international game. He broke down the fact that you could goal tend. You can just hack all game without getting fouls called on you. he figured out the trapezoid lane. they should keep college coaches. Pro coaches expect the players to just make plays. The college coach teaches and dissects the situation. All praise to Coach K and Jerry Coangelo. We had the same players. they were handled differently.
  8. Trees At TheSportCount.com
    8. Posted by Trees At TheSportCount.com Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:56 pm EDT

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    In a perfect world, the best team playing the right team the right way must win 100% of the time.
    But the world -- the sport world, especially -- isn't near perfect. You can't play the right way all the time. You can't always execute as planned. Sometimes the shots don't fall and there's nothing you can do about it. The '92 Dream Team probably could've finished four best-of-seven playoff rounds without a loss... but the bet wouldn't be 1-1. It'd be 1-1.3 or something, because strange things happen on the court.
  9. Mouwie
    9. Posted by Mouwie Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:01 pm EDT

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    I think this team could be compared to the Dream Team. Give them their props. The skill level of the current NBA Allstars has increased domestically as well. Redeem vs Dream would be a great game to watch. People don't want to get caught up the comparison against Jordan, Bird, Barkley, Stockton because they are all Hall HOF'ers. They are also the first dream team to take on a bunch of hapless goofs with a skill level not even close to that of the international players of today. I Give the Dream Team just as much props for beign good as inspiring the world to become better b-ballers. What's with the Utah Jazz comment? I get it, but it seems to me there were a couple Jazz on the squad and a better example could've been used. Good use of the word Hubris.....that is definatley the word of the month. Must be watching alot of CNN. ReDream!
  10. Jaceman
    10. Posted by Jaceman Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:40 pm EDT

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    The "redeem team" has as you said, effective NBA'ed international ball to death. Only because we have talents like Wade, James, and Bryant could we have pulled this off.
  11. kam0teman
    11. Posted by kam0teman Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:39 pm EDT

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    I've been waiting for this post since Sunday KD.. and you really sum it all: win or lose, they played the "right" way which is this is a TEAM game.
    Just found out that USA justt dropped as number 1 in FIBA rankings, ARG is the new leader.
    Also, I have checked the overall stats in the Olympics especially LeBron vs. KOBE. Who is the complete team player, shoots the ball more, and etc?
    See it for yourselves guys, i bet you already know the answer..
  12. SpottieOttieDopaliscious
    12. Posted by SpottieOttieDopaliscious Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:09 pm EDT

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    We may have won, but it would have been a lot easier if we did have Sheed out there draining threes and dominating the pain. Acknowledge the source of your blog's name for what he is, the best international style big man on the planet.
    http://gautham.typepad.com
  13. RobertM
    13. Posted by RobertM Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:59 pm EDT

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    Its embarassing enough that they lost but the name redeem team you can never get that off the record the past teams choked it and embarassed the US and this team did ok still the DREAM TEAM came out and dominated plain and simple. Also why didn't Kobe do that thing with the finger in Boston HA-HA
  14. admiral checkly von toner III Esquire
    14. Posted by admiral checkly von toner III Esquire Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:46 pm EDT

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    What is he trying to say about the Utah Jazz here. I don't even know if I should be upset as a Jazz fan because it made no sense. But since the rest of the article was retarded that part probably was too.
    Go Jazz!
  15. Lew A
    15. Posted by Lew A Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:21 pm EDT

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    Barring the fact that Coach K is an excellent coach, I don't buy sam spade's generalization that college coaches are better than pro coaches when it comes to making players adapt. If that were the case, then why did the Coach K-led 2006 team lose to Greece when they faced pick-and-rolls?
    Personally, I think this is just another round of NBA coach-bashing ("expect the players to make plays" = NBA coaches are there just to roll the balls out for the players in practice) while making college coaches look like geniuses. The fact is that both a college and NBA coaches failed to win a gold medal or world championship. The redeem team was better prepared for the game and their opponents, respected them and their abilities, and out-played them.
  16. KD
    16. Posted by KD Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm EDT

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    The guy's a 34 percent three-point shooter and shot 35 percent from the arc last year. Hardly the guy I'd want taking shots with Carmelo, Kobe, and LeBron already on the team.
  17. Tyrael H
    17. Posted by Tyrael H Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:02 pm EDT

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    It's too bad Tyson Chandler wasn't there having LeBron and Carmelo's backs. And by having their backs I mean sitting on the bench the whole game because we never went up by twenty or more points, and thus Coach K would never have let him on the court. Or even out of his warmups.
  18. Tyrael H
    18. Posted by Tyrael H Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:02 pm EDT

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    Just so we're clear--I don't care whether Chandler "should" have been on this team, I'm simply making fun of the fact that you think he played a key role on the 06 team(that he wasn't on) and the 07 team(which he was on, but he played by far the fewest minutes and was almost never on the court at the same time as Bron or Melo).
  19. beefylegz
    19. Posted by beefylegz Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:04 pm EDT

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    Nice to see Bosh get some cred as defensive player. Well done CB4
  20. Tyrael H
    20. Posted by Tyrael H Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:02 pm EDT

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    How did we lose the #1 ranking anyways? Shouldn't Argentina have lost points, and the US gained, since we flipped who won gold and who won bronze? Not to mention we've now beaten them the last four times we faced them. Methinks FIBA needs to change their rankings system to better reflect, you know, reality. I think the problem would be solved if they punted junior championship results. Rankings are supposed to reflect senior national teams only, you don't see FIFA weighing the Olympic U-23 results to bring Italy down below Nigeria or Belgium.
  21. Arpad J
    21. Posted by Arpad J Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:58 pm EDT

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    I don't get the reference to the Utah Jazz. Anyone?
  22. Tyrael H
    22. Posted by Tyrael H Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:02 pm EDT

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    Also the eight year cycle, as opposed to the more logical four year one, is a poor representation. In the most recent of every tournament that FIBA counts toward the rankings, we finished ahead of Argentina. Observe:
    Worlds: USA 3rd, Argentina 4th
    Olympics: USA 1st, Argentina 3rd
    Americas: USA 1st, Argentina 2nd
    U-21: USA 5th, Argentina 6th
    U-19: USA 2nd, Argentina 6th
    So in this four year cycle, we're clearly the better program. In the four year cycle from 2000-04 the better program was Argentina's, yet they stayed behind us even after we stumbled our way through the 02 worlds and 04 Olympiad. This makes no sense and is yet another reason why it's hard to take FIBA seriously in any way.
  23. Donnie D
    23. Posted by Donnie D Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:50 pm EDT

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    Incredible how so many of my comments keep getting deleted. What's objectionable about making fun of Tyson Chandler's lack of contribution to last year's team, and KD's belief that he was a huge part of it?
  24. Money
    24. Posted by Money Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:58 pm EDT

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    The whole comment about Kobe's overated defense I think was completely wrong. Kobe plays great defense when he feels like it, which is most of the time.
  25. Art D
    25. Posted by Art D Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:31 pm EDT

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    As an aside, the US needs to develop a Charles Barkley-esque type player in the paint - Hopefully Howard/Bosh will bulk up some more and get better at FTs as well.
    at the end of the day, it was good to know that faith in the NBA and US system was restored.... I believe many of us from this side of the world inwardly was rooting for the US team to win.
    I hope that the momentum will not change and this is just the first step and that we will see a more dominant US hoops team in 2012.

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