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2008-09 Record: 36-46, fourth place in Central Division
Head Coach/Hair: Jim O'Brien/Cooked halibut
Key Additions: Tyler Hansbrough(notes), Dahntay Jones(notes), Earl Watson(notes), Solomon Jones(notes), Luther Head(notes)
Key Losses: Jarrett Jack(notes), Marquis Daniels(notes), Rasho Nesterovic(notes)

Last season, the Indiana Pacers were incredibly entertaining to watch, they (incredibly) entertained about 11,000 people a night at home, they lost Mike Dunleavy Jr. for all but 18 games, and they won just 36 games overall.

This year, they should have MDJr (come on, why hasn't that caught on?) for most of the season until further notice, Danny Granger(notes) will get better, T.J. Ford(notes) should improve, and more youth has been added to a pretty solid core.

So why am I giving the team less than the 36 wins they managed last year?

Rasho Nesterovic, Marquis Daniels, Jarrett Jack ... out.

Solomon Jones, Dahntay Jones, Earl Watson ... in.

Those three names, the names that left? Laugh all you want. Show your ignorance.

They can play. They can play solid ball on both ends, help teams, and most of all? They sop up minutes. And what most teams and fans fail to understand when a squad supposedly underachieves is that minutes don't actually end with the two best players. They trickle all the way down.

And when you replace the combined 5627 above-average minutes that the triptych we don't question played last year with (nearly as many, as other, better players will help to pick up the load) minutes from far, far below-average players in the two Jones' and Watson this season? You're going to have a fall-off.

In this case, the fall-off won't push the Pacers' win total into the 20s. But it will stop them from making that next step. Dunleavy Jr.'s presence, the possible sound play of Tyler Hansbrough, and Luther Head's backcourt help can contribute and keep things solid. Granger's emerging game should sustain, if that makes sense. They'll still be entertaining.

But second quarters count. The first three minutes of the fourth quarter counts. A Wednesday in February, with Granger hurt and Dahntay Jones having to do way too much where Daniels was once quite comfortable ... counts.

This isn't to say that I disagree with the Pacers letting someone like Jack go. He's a middling player, and there's no point in continuing this pathetic charade toward hoping for 42 wins by keeping him. But to sign Dahntay Jones? To not match reasonable and cheap offers for Rasho and Daniels? To put yourself into this place to begin with by overrating things and just shooting for .500, from Reggie Miller's retirement onward?

I don't blame them, but I can't feel sorry for them.

There is fun to be had. If Roy Hibbert(notes) can improve on his ridiculous 7.7 fouls per-36 minutes rate, he'll be a damn good center for the next decade. A borderline All-Star if he cuts the fouls and learns to finish better in the paint, where he has great touch a series of sound moves that somehow never seemed to end in a made basket. Granger is an All-Star, Dunleavy Jr. is a very good player, and T.J. Ford could always get it together. You never know.

Until then, I have no idea what this team is trying to accomplish. And it's been that way for half a decade. Somehow, I can't take comfort in that.

Prediction: 33-49

Kelly Dwyer

After merely tinkering during the offseason, does Indiana have enough to make its way out of the lottery?

Sure, but a lot has to go right. T.J. Ford has to stay healthy. Troy Murphy(notes) has to duplicate his career season. Roy Hibbert has to stay on the court. Brandon Rush(notes) has to build on April's promising run. And the Pacers might have to win just as many close games as last season, just to keep up.

Hard-luck losses and injuries put Indiana in the lottery in 2008-09. The half-empty approach tells us the team won just 36 games with Danny Granger and Murphy enjoying career years, alongside good players who won't be back this season.

— KD, Yahoo! Sports 2009-10 NBA Preview magazine

Indy Cornrows: "After back-to-back 36 win seasons, the Pacers are looking to make the playoffs in the Eastern Conference. That's the goal this team talks about at every opportunity and when you look at all of the close games the team dropped last year it doesn't take long to find a few more wins which would've put them in the playoffs. Only problem is that there are several more teams in the mix in the Eastern Conference this year. Once you skim the cream off the top you could make the case that every team in the EC could make the playoffs if they stay healthy and play well. That alone exposes a mediocre middle of the conference, but the opportunity is there. Some teams don't necessarily have to stay healthy nor play exceedingly well, but the Pacers are one of the teams that will indeed need good health and must come together to play better than the sum of their parts in order to make the playoffs." [more]

The Baseline: "This is kind of a cheap shot to take, but really, it's an Angel of Mercy thing. Tyler Hansbrough won't do much of anything this season, and the likes of Jeff Foster(notes), Troy Murphy and Josh McRoberts(notes) will serve to only keep him down, limit his minutes, and make him look worse than he is. So let's just go ahead and declare a mortatrium on cracking on Hansbrough, or calling him a bust throughout the season. It's a waste of time, and it'll make us all look bad. Let's find someone more clever to prey on. Or at least someone who has a chance to thrive." [more]

Always Miller Time: "The biggest weakness with Indy has to be bench scoring, no doubt. I am going to have to agree with John Hollinger on this one. The Pacers are really going to have to count on their second unit of Watson, Jones, Dunleavy, Hansbrough, and Foster. It's not as good as the second unit of last season, but hopefully, this bunch can be able to pull something through when Ford, Rush, Granger, Murphy and Hibbert come off the court." [more]

The Clash, "White Riot"

Troy Murphy&
Mike Dunleavy&
Jeff Foster&
Tyler Hansbrough&
Josh McRoberts&
Travis Diener(notes)

— Trey Kerby, The Blowtorch

The Pacers are a good combination of talented players in a friendly system. Danny Granger has blossomed into one of the league's premier stat-stuffers, and only concerns about his knee have him from creeping into the top four in drafts. He's still someone to be happy about if he's your choice in the middle of the first round. Troy Murphy had his best overall season in 2008-09 at age 28, combining fantastic percentages (48/45/83) with a career-high11.8 boards in 34 minutes per game (another career best). He may not repeat his top-10 impact, but virtually nothing has changed about his team situation and I'll happily take him where he falling (37 ADP).

T.J. Ford has been given the reigns at point after an up-and-down season spent learning the Pacers' system. Despite what figures to be a solid fantasy season, he's lasting until the ninth round (103 ADP) - target him a round earlier and you'll still get a nice return on investment. Roy Hibbert has the opportunity, he just needs to take advantage of it. If he can somehow avoid foul trouble (10.2 fouls per-48 as a rookie), then that last-round pick will be seriously well-spent. Brandon Rush merits fantasy consideration for as long as Mike Dunleavy is sidelined, and that currently looks like at least a while. Target Rush as a late three-point specialist. Rookie Tyler Hansbrough figures to be among the league's per-minute studs and would merit a pickup if there is a major injury in the team's frontcourt.

— Matt Buser, Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Basketball / BuserSports.com

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  1. dorfineer
    1. Posted by dorfineer Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:14 pm EDT

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    At least Indy has the Colts right?
  2. tupark82
    2. Posted by tupark82 Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:33 pm EDT

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    "show your ignorance all you want"? what's wrong with you? why are you so condescending? insecure?
    most faithful fans that care enough to read all this would know the difference in value between jarret jack and earl watson, and especially between rasho and solomon. don't insult the readers with that kind of writing.
  3. tupark82
    3. Posted by tupark82 Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:37 pm EDT

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    I see a lot of similarities between oden and hibbert's game, including the tendency to foul a lot. hibbert does have a fairly reliable jump shot though(not that oden doesn't, he just never uses it). i wonder why hibbert was never hyped up like oden, but based on some preseason performances, hibbert could become relevant news this season
  4. Pee, Peewee
    4. Posted by Pee, Peewee Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:23 pm EDT

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    Daniels wouldn't have signed for the same cheap price with the Pacers, only with the Celtics in hopes of chasing a title. Not to mention he's always hurt. As for Rasho.. he's not very good. He'll give you veteran leadership, and may help a team off the bench for a handful of games, but he certainly on the downside.
  5. Travis
    5. Posted by Travis Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:40 pm EDT

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    Getting rid of Jarrett Jack is always a good thing.
  6. mcwelk
    6. Posted by mcwelk Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:49 pm EDT

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    Nary a mention of Murphy in the Grey Ribbon.
  7. supercolts
    7. Posted by supercolts Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:21 pm EDT

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    Come on, I watche dalmost every Pacer game last year and I know they wont be a contender but I do know they will be better than last year. First of all just from pure effort alone. Daniels has no heart nor effort and D. Jones may not be able to put points on the board but he will def be able to stop players down the stretch when it counts. The Pacers main problem was they couldnt get a stop when they needed it. Jones can help. All the Nay sayers can still keep rippin on Hansborough but he will prove u wrong just like in college and in the summer league. He will be a very good player for the Pacers. The 2nd unit will have problems scoring??? Hmmm DUnelavy averaged 19 pts a game before he decided to fix his knee and sorry genius but the 2nd unit wont be out there all together at the same time. Obrien doesnt do that. Ok all five starters out and bench go in there. You have no idea what the Pacers will be capable of and ur assumptions make u look like you havent even watched a pacers game before. the Pacers had no problem scoring last year but they could defend so Bird gets 3 quality defenders and now they will be worse??? come on you dont think Ford, Grnager, Murph, Rush, Hibbert, Dunleavy, wont put up points for u?
  8. Josh D
    8. Posted by Josh D Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:23 pm EDT

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    Hey guys, thanks for showing my AlwaysMillerTime.com post!
  9. curtis
    9. Posted by curtis Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:25 pm EDT

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    I agree, mcwelk. A gross oversight. Murph can ball... as long as defense isn't needed. The boy can shoot and rebound like there's no tomorrow.
  10. Micah
    10. Posted by Micah Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:47 pm EDT

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    As a Pacers fan who actually watched them play last 79 of their 82 games (not counting the preseason games I watched), I can tell you why losing Maquis Daniels and Rasho won't matter.
    Quis is a great 6th man quality SG with good handles and a knack for scoring around the basket. The problem is he's a Shooting Guard that can't shoot. Outside the paint area he's ineffective. Also, he's injury prone. He missed a total of 73 games the past 3 seasons with the Pacers. So yeah, he has talent but it does you no good when it's sitting in a suit at the end of the bench.
    I think Hansbrough, Hibbert, Jones, Foster, and McRoberts can easily replace the 15 ineffectual minutes a game that Rasho gives you. Rasho is at the end of his career. By the time March rolled around, he was out of gas and lost his starting position to Roy Hibbert. He started picking up DNP-CDs by the end of the year and when the Pacers finished 16-9 in their last 25 games he was not a factor at all.
  11. longrangevertical
    11. Posted by longrangevertical Sat Oct 17, 2009 9:01 am EDT

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    Jarret Jack was GREAT with them last season, in fact, he ran the point better than FORD.
    Earl Watson is a great player and will do just fine backing up TJ this season. For sure they will put together more wins than last season.
    Playoff's for sure and more than 36 wins.
    MDjr will get back and watch out. He & Granger are a deadly conbo.
    AND, a surprise will be Tyler Hans. He's a tuff SOB like Bird was.
  12. kobnate
    12. Posted by kobnate Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:03 am EDT

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    i don't have a problem with the mostly white roster if they were winning and the white players were average or better. but larry bird has a collection of subpar white players, who for the most part were not the best available when he got them. i love tyler and think he will end up the best of bunch, i think he will make at least a couple of allstars before he is done. good luck though indy fans.
  13. Micheal
    13. Posted by Micheal Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:05 am EDT

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    Hansbrough will be just fine. For God sakes, ho wmany times will people doubt this kid...then STFU and disappear when he once again proves them all wrong?!?! He has done it for about...all the years he has been playing ball. He should be allowed to back-hand the hate mongers with his Championship ring, but instead of getting pissed off (I take care of that) he does what he always does and works his balls off and plays great basketball. If he is gonna be a flop or whatever, trade him to the Bobcats. We have a great shooting guard from Duke (who can't shoot) that we picked a spot ahead of Tyler we would happily give ya. Damn those people who talked MJ outta picking a Tarheel. You guys got a steal with Tyler. Don't hate on him....because he will just prove you wrong.
  14. Troyster
    14. Posted by Troyster Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:14 am EDT

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    Indy can be a contender if he TJ Ford fills the stat sheet like he did in Milwaukee. And if Roy Hibbert dominates i the paint & be a mean shotblocker!
  15. JoelW
    15. Posted by JoelW Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:15 am EDT

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    I'm an expat Hoosier living in NC and never a really big fan of Hansborough....until now. I look for his psyche to hook up with Bird's blue collar vibe and expectations and make something happen. Sometimes it's not about who you got but how it all works together. Let's see what happens this year. I'm optimistic.
    In full disclosre, I am also a DIE HARD IU football fan, so if that ain't a ball of faith, I don't know what is...GO BIG RED!
  16. monk
    16. Posted by monk Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:00 pm EDT

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    There is no reason to believe TJ Ford will improve.
  17. scottbolt69
    17. Posted by scottbolt69 Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:08 pm EDT

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    well lets see, JACK was good last season, but RASHO only played at the begining of the season then kind of went away didnt he? and DANIELS? was'nt he -- like hurt most of the time last year and didnt play much. INDIANA is trying to build a solid group of players which not like LAKERS, BOSTON, MAGIC,and CLEVELAND who go out and buy super players to build these super teams, how much fun is it to watch these super teams win. kind of takes away something from the game dont it? guess it sells though , and thats it in a nutshell its not sportsmanship anymore its who got more money to buy a championship-- why play? just pull out your wallet yup lakers got more money they win they are such winners ,,,, I WANT REAL PLAYERS NOT BASKETBALL ROCKSTARS
  18. c14_scrappy
    18. Posted by c14_scrappy Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:26 pm EDT

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    I like brandon rush, I would plan on him being a huge factor this year to the teams success. His outside shooting and defense will improve from the end of the season last year. It will be a perfect complement to granger and mdjr.
  19. youngjones29
    19. Posted by youngjones29 Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:38 pm EDT

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    im a pacers fan i think tyler hansboroug will be a factor for the start,hes tough play hard and he will be rookie of the year.i think the pacers need a veteran leadership why didnt larry bird bring in a quality veteran,maybe bring back stephen jackson are bring in rasheed wallace.but remeber last season all the super teams cavs,celtics,lakers,magics and most of them playoff teams the pacers beat them and remeber this they open the season again boston . beleve if your a real pacer fan like me.danny granger ai the man
  20. Steve
    20. Posted by Steve Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:12 pm EDT

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    The Pacers will surprise most of you this season. I can see 45 wins. These guys are blue collar players. Not very flashy, but will get the job done. As far as Ty Hans, give him some slack. Judge after his 2nd year. GO PACERS!
  21. joeln31
    21. Posted by joeln31 Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:07 pm EDT

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    I'm glad I'm not the only person that noticed the Pacers have alot of white guys.
    Looks like Larry Bird is trying to find the next Larry Bird.
  22. devin c
    22. Posted by devin c Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:24 pm EDT

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    cmon skeets, no shoutout to your fellow Y! Blogger Rod "Boom Tho" Benson?
  23. KneeJerkNBA
    23. Posted by KneeJerkNBA Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:02 am EDT

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    A Pacers preview w/out mentioning Brandon Rush? He has an excellent chance to be their second best player this year.

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