From the Marbles - NASCAR

There's a lot of anger and frustration floating around NASCAR these days. Jimmie Johnson's dominance has robbed the Chase of any bit of drama, leading everyone who's not a fan of the 48 to rage at a system that hasn't produced a different champion in what will likely end up being half a decade.

On top of that, one of the most exciting tracks on the circuit, Talladega, was effectively neutered on Sunday by the last-minute implementation of bump-drafting rules that confused and frustrated the field. It was like going to a beer-and-ribs tailgate and finding only wine coolers and salad -- exactly the wrong kind of race NASCAR needed at this critical moment. 

Over at NASCAR.com, Ramsey Poston, NASCAR's director of corporate communications, has written a lengthy blog post defending NASCAR's position at Talladega. And while I don't envy Poston -- he's often in the position of defending his sport against waves of angry fans, as he is now -- he's nonetheless doing a fair amount of cherry-picking in the way he justifies what went down at Talladega.

Poston takes a curious approach here. Rather than conceding even an inch of ground -- "implementing safety measures is an evolving art," or whatever -- Poston places blame squarely on griping drivers, ABC broadcasters ... and you.

Lines like "Love it or hate it, Talladega is about strategy; it's a chess match on wheels and sometimes takes time to develop and play out" seem to imply that this was a good race, and that griping fans were too bloodthirsty or blind to appreciate it. He points to the 13,400-plus passes that took place, according to Loop Data, as an indication that there was indeed action going on at the track -- but apparently, you and ABC missed it.

Here's the thing, though. We've received tons of emails and comments on Talladega in the last few days, and not one -- not one -- took a positive view of Sunday's race. Even ruling out the "people don't write in when they're happy" factor, that's a thorough and definitive rejection of the no-bump-drafting rules and the kind of race they engendered.

Poston goes on to call some of the criticisms of the Talladega race "myths," which isn't quite the word I'd use. Among these "myths":

-There was a "conspiracy" among drivers to run a dull race in response to the no-bump-drafting mandates. Poston points to Jeff Burton, who called such comments "complete nonsense." Was there a planned conspiracy? I don't think so. But I find it very easy to believe that drivers came to the common realization that if they couldn't figure out the parameters of the rules, they'd play extra nice just to make a point, knowing full well that "nice racing" = deadly dull racing.

-Whether NASCAR forced the no-bump-drafting rule on the drivers. Poston contends that the origination of the no-bump-drafting rule came from drivers, not NASCAR itself, saying that "several well-respected veteran drivers" came to NASCAR and said "we need to address the bump-drafting in the corners." That's entirely plausible -- though if those drivers are indeed veteran and well-respected, why haven't they come forward and spoken up? Don't give me the whole "they don't want to seem weak" nonsense; seeing how cars fly around Talladega and wanting very much not to be in a car that leaves the ground isn't weak. I'm not disputing Poston's account, just saying that I would like to get some independent verification from more drivers that they did in fact ask NASCAR for this.

Really, though, my problem isn't with the rules themselves; it's the way they were handed down from on high. The implicit message from NASCAR appeared to be, "we'll tell you if you're doing something wrong -- but if we tell you, it's already too late." NASCAR officials said they wanted to see "sunlight" between the cars -- but does that mean a sliver or three feet? Could go either way, and you don't want any gray area when you're going nearly 200 mph.

-NASCAR doesn't care about safety. This is a straw man for Poston to knock down; of course NASCAR cares about the safety of its drivers and fans. Poston noted that Burton criticized Ryan Newman's comments about NASCAR not caring about the drivers, but I think that was a misinterpretation --Newman was saying that NASCAR doesn't care about the drivers' opinions, not their safety. NASCAR has made tremendous strides in safety; there are half a dozen drivers running out there right now who wouldn't be with us if their wrecks had happened even five years ago.

NASCAR has proven it can make changes to its own rules that will benefit the fan experience; you don't need to look any farther than this year's double-file restarts for that. But Talladega was a PR debacle and a roadkill of a race, and to pretend otherwise -- or, worse, to dismiss those who would criticize it as failing to understand a good race when they see it -- is absolutely the wrong tactic.

In the end, if people don't like a race, all the loop data and assertions to the contrary aren't going to convince them -- and an overwhelming majority did not like this race.

All those seats were empty at Talladega even before the outcome of Sunday's race. NASCAR had better figure a way -- right now -- to fill them back up come spring. Insisting that it's everyone else's fault isn't going to cut it.

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  1. Cole C
    1. Posted by Cole C Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:06 pm EST

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    Poston, Helton, and 'Brain' France--a trifecta of demagoguery and incompetence. Truly.
  2. NostraChronus
    2. Posted by NostraChronus Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:08 pm EST

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    what was even more disturbing was listening to the panel on This Week In Nascar discuss how it was an exciting race, the strategies made it interesting, etc. The drivers were clearly protesting, Nascar was clearly doling out pit road penalties for the smallest infraction, particularly when the light switched from green to red as Johnson and other cars were just crossing the line, etc. As a relatively new Nascar fan, I've given them the benefit of the doubt on many occasions, but that race on Sunday was pure garbage. All weekend, I'd spread the word to non-nascar fans to watch this race, that it would be awesome, show why nascar rules even though the championship had essentially been decided, and what I got Monday was more of the same, how can you watch that crap. My answer was simple: try watching the New York Jets instead and it's a washout.
  3. tx_jjk
    3. Posted by tx_jjk Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:26 pm EST

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    I have two thoughts about Sunday's race.
    #1 - NASCAR really needs to quit jacking around with the rules at the last minute with no clarification. I'm not one of the "I'm quitting NASCAR forever (or until next week when I run out of things to complain about)" people, but my thought through most of the race was "Wow, they managed to officially screw up Talladega. Maybe it's time to watch football for the rest of the season."
    and
    #2 - Thank God they've made some of the safety innovations they have made because I'm pretty sure I didn't breathe for 12 minutes after Newman wrecked and I'm just a fan. I thought there was no way he survived. There have been several of those instances this year and I can think of several drivers that we're lucky we still have.
    Bottom line...NASCAR...darned if you do, darned if you don't.
  4. mrbinary
    4. Posted by mrbinary Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:29 pm EST

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    I agree wholeheartedly with Jay's comments. I had a bunch of other things to do on Sunday, so wasn't going to be able to watch the entire race anyways, but when I heard the NASCAR edict and saw the single-file racing, I figured it out within 20 seconds: The race was going to be duller than watching paint dry. I told my wife that I'd tune in for the final 50 or so laps, and I was right, that's when all of the action happened.
    I don't want to see cars flipping and drivers or spectators getting hurt either, in fact I was very worried that Ryan Newman was injured when I didn't see his window netting come off, but I do want to see RACING, and not just for the last 20-30 minutes of a 3+ hour race. And let's be clear: the drivers want to race as well, I don't doubt that for a moment. So like Jay says, NASCAR better figure it out right quick because otherwise they might as well drop both restrictor plate races off of the calendar if the content is as exciting as Sunday's 'Dega race.
    Quite rightly too Jay points out that placing the blame anywhere else is a fools game for NASCAR, ultimately it's their source of revenue and will impact them, the teams and drivers more than anybody else so sticking their head in the sand and pointing fingers elsewhere will only cause them real grief. If they lose numbers, the sponsors will flee, teams will have less money, and NASCAR will end up being the poor country cousin that it used to be.
    The open wheel folks are getting their act back together after many years out in the boondocks due to their infighting, so if NASCAR wants to keep my eyeballs and dollars flowing to them, they better take their fans seriously. My interest in motorsports started with open-wheelers and I'm more than happy to go back if the racing there seems more competitive. In fact, on Sunday I missed the beginning of the 'Dega race because I was watching the final F1 race of the season on the PVR. But that would be a shame because it's really only in the last 3-4 years that I've begun to learn and understand some of the subtleties and intricacies of NASCAR style "stock car" racing, although that moniker hardly seems appropriate anymore.
    Anyways, good column JB, keep it up!
    SJ, Toronto, Canada.
  5. JohnS
    5. Posted by JohnS Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:32 pm EST

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    Nascar has become a non race event anymore. After going to the Chicago race in July this year. I had'nt been to a race in years. I left being glade I did not have to buy the tickets. But to be honest it was bad and that's being kind. I never saw so much spread out racing in a long time and it was boring! After that I stopped watching the races except for a couple times I would just see the headlines the next day to find out what happened. Let's face it NASCAR is anything but racing for the most part. It may be about fuel mileage, surviving the big crash, or spending the most on car development. But its not that often that its about the fastest car or even the best driver. Not taken away anything from Jimmy Johnson but he should have finished much lower if it were not for the usual mayhem that stems from a bunch of desperate drivers trying to gain points and keep their jobs. But in the process their are also good cars running well that end up in the garage. This too me is not racing its about survival. Racing is where everyone gives each other a equal chance to finish first. With each car at these super speedways having to rely on another 5 or more cars to push it past another 5 or more cars. That folks is not racing.
  6. 3/88fan
    6. Posted by 3/88fan Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:33 pm EST

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    exciting to who us fans who buy the seats, hotel rooms ect, buy the sponsers products, drivers stuff , well we are the ones footing the bill for this sport and nascar had better get it soon or they can go the way of cart
  7. NostraChronus
    7. Posted by NostraChronus Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:38 pm EST

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    also, after reading Ramsey Poston's whatever that was blog, not sure how Jeff Burton can take issue with Ryan Newman's comments; that Newman is still alive is a miracle, and how you can judge a dude's comments after he's been sitting in an upside-down mangled car for twenty minutes is beyond me. I sat there with my head in my hands for ten-plus minutes after that wreck, convinced that we had all just watched the Rocket Man perish, so besides the point I happen to agree with Newman's comments, Jeff Burton should stop being such a shill and understand the circumstances under which those comments were made.
  8. Steve T
    8. Posted by Steve T Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:40 pm EST

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    NASCAR doesn't have a reason that I would accept for doing what they did at Talledega. If I had purchased a ticket for that race, I would be demanding a refund for what took place on Sunday. Someone at NASCAR needs to be fired. If it's not Helton, then I'm still not satisfied. For all of you who were there Sunday, you got ripped off big time and you ought to let them know.
  9. Jennifer
    9. Posted by Jennifer Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:41 pm EST

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    nascar has gone all to hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  10. NostraChronus
    10. Posted by NostraChronus Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:46 pm EST

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    nascar should do what Bill France did after the inaugural race at Talladega - offer all fans with a stub the opportunity to attend another Sprint Cup race free-of-charge.
  11. Phoenix H
    11. Posted by Phoenix H Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:49 pm EST

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    I remember reading someone's comment on another of the post-'Dega blog posts and it was about how NASCAR's little rule change was the *exact* reason for Ryan's wreck.
    And I agree.
    The drivers were nervous about getting black-flagged so they had to let up on the throttle to keep the daylight between each other.
    And I don't know about you but not knowing when the guy in front of me is gonna let up at a place where letting up is (supposed to be) a travesty is recipe for disaster, and it was. I'm just thankful the drivers are still alive.
  12. hugsx5
    12. Posted by hugsx5 Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:50 pm EST

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    I think it sounds like Jeff Burton is Poston's [profane].. and I don't like it one bit.
    I have to find out what exactly Burton said before I berate him for being so cavalier about the emotions one experiences after going on the ride that Newman did. Only a drone stripped of all feeling and self preservation would have had anything otherwise to say. Newman only said what he and alot of us thought.
    Poston can blow smoke (or Smoke, for that matter) all he wants, but the fact of the matter is that the race sucked.. they made it a flipping sponsor exhibition with a demolition derby ending...only good thing that came of it is that I get to read a lot of articles about Newman this week.
  13. bdub77
    13. Posted by bdub77 Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:57 pm EST

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    Lets just say I attended the Daytona 500 this year and watched the first 10 races religiously. I am a big fan, been to races at Bristol, Dega, and Vegas. It got so boring this year that Talladega was the first chase race I have watched. (Note: I literally slept through half of it) Now I still watch the points and highlights, but Nascar please give me a reason to watch again... please. I have a lot of things to do on Sunday so you need to give me a reason to make time and this aint it!
  14. hugsx5
    14. Posted by hugsx5 Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:00 pm EST

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    and I wasn't even mad UNTIL I read Poston's bull... if I weren't so devoted to certain drivers, one of whom may or may not drive the Army car, i would tell NASCAR to suck it.. but the drivers are the glue that holds this ship together and we are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
  15. kinggeorge
    15. Posted by kinggeorge Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:07 pm EST

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    I have never been one of those fans that says, "I've had it, I'm never watching NASCAR again" but after what went down at 'Dega I'm just about to jump on that speeding train. My intelligence (as limited as it may be) has been thoroughly insulted by the arrogant rambling nonsense by NASCAR, and especially the ass kissing that was TWIN Monday night. I, for the first time in years, turned off Mikey and the boys after Spencer made the incomprehensible statement that Sunday's race was a good race. WHO DO YOU PEOPLE THINK YOUR TALKING TO? The stereotypes that the liberal media wants the world to believe we are? NASCAR fans are every bit as intelligent as any other sport. It's the mafia-style ownership and management that has become so enslaved by the greed of sponsorship money that they have completely disregarded the entertainment value for the fans. I truly believe that fans are only a secondary reason for operating the sport. I wouldn't be surprised if the main sponsors of NASCAR came to France and Helton and forced them to eliminate any accident like Edwards had in the spring. Can you imagine the PR nightmare Home Depot would be faced with if (God forbid) Logano went into the fence and ended up killing fans in the stands?
    With Helton's decree Sunday NASCAR has officially "jumped the shark". Without a complete restructure of the organizing body, (Helton being fired immediately like any other sport would do if their president, in the midst of loosing half it's fan base, alienated every fan in attendance of the Superbowl, World Series or NBA Finals) I agree with Jay, that the only race that was guaranteed to be exciting will be a ghost town in 2010.
    If NASCAR is going to survive it is time to make it a franchise sport like all the other major leagues. The era of mob control and racetrack monopoly has reached it's crescendo at Talladega. The principle players are in an alternate reality from their fan base and the lack of remorseful acceptance of their actions after Sunday's race should be proof enough.
  16. Oliver Klosov
    16. Posted by Oliver Klosov Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:21 pm EST

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    Jay-bird, you are the numb-skull of all numb-skulls... ok, let's start the blog with "'dega is a mess", and then have the first sentence be "JJ is making NASCAR boring because he wins to much" -
    SIr...and I use the phrase lightly... you are a dumb-ass!!!
  17. RICK C
    17. Posted by RICK C Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:32 pm EST

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    Quote-" Along the way ABC missed a lot of very good racing". End Quote.
    Hmmmm. When did this happen? during commercials?
    Don't you think that ABC was there every step of the way?
    Am I missing something here?
  18. tigerpawro
    18. Posted by tigerpawro Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:43 pm EST

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    The boring mess that was Talladega started with the COT. It reached it's max impact when Nascar couldn't be content to let the drivers try and drive the mess. They had to tell them how to drive. (Sunlight between the bumpers in the corners.) When to drive. (Race on the straight aways not in the corners.) Who to race with. (Don't lean on the chase contenders. We don't want outside of the chase drivers impacting the chase.) Talladega is always a junkyard. That has been the case since they came up with the restrictor plate. But when you make it so that the options are single file or upside down it really sucks and it is really dangerous. Nascar pointed to the safety of the car yet again as a way to try and divert attention away from their mistakes. Well if you examine that a little more closely you will find that Ryan Newman was obviously in discomfort talking to the media and Mark Martin had no idea what had happened and was dusty pale. Not exactly what they proclaimed. The COT caused both wrecks. It was predicted by engineers from the teams that if the car got backward at speed it would lift. It did. It was said that if the left rear wheel ever got off the ground the car would barrel roll. It did. And both things were caused by a plate that kept the cars so bunched up when they tried to race that you couldn't have stuck your bank of america debit card between them. Nascar blaming drivers and blocking and media journalists and the fans is the ultimate insult to all. But what makes it worse is them dictating what can and can't be said about the race, the car and the broadcast. Frankly, I hope Jimmy Spencer and all were paid well for their comments cause they destroyed their creditability just like Nascar did.
    I am so thankful that Ryan and Mark walked away. They may not be my favorite drivers but I would never wish harm or injury to any of the drivers. Obviously Nascar has not reached that point of evolution yet. If your name is Jimmie Johnson you can flip roll smack the wall stand on your nose or whatever. But if you are Jimmie the rest of the world best not touch you even in practice.
  19. Dani
    19. Posted by Dani Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:46 pm EST

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    France and Helton have managed to neuter most all of the drivers.... now they have neutered the racing.
    "Poston places blame squarely on griping drivers, ABC broadcasters ... and you." Well, Mr Poston without the drivers, without TV (ABC) and without the fans, you fool... you have nothing!!!!
  20. kinggeorge
    20. Posted by kinggeorge Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:50 pm EST

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    Oliver-- Your act was a bore months ago, take it somewhere else. You've been given free rein to write a blog post to enlighten us with your whit, intelligence and knowledge but of course you choose to berate The Great and Powerful Busbee with snide little insults instead. You sir, must be a masochist to continue to spend precious personal time reading a persons opinions who you have such disdain for. Did Jay beat you at hopscotch in front of your GF when you guys were 8? Did he steal your pet hamster? Is the name Jay the only one you can come up with a childish catch phrase for? I hear the Foosball blogger has been saying some incoherent nonsense that should interest you greatly. Why don't you check him/her out for the next 20 years or so. And....Have A Nice Day.
  21. Frevic
    21. Posted by Frevic Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:11 pm EST

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    Nostra, post 7, have seen Jeff Burton race for many years, he has always been one of the biggest azzkissers in nascar, so the comments dont surprise me one bit, but what he thinks it will get him, I dont know, and KG, glad to see that you are feeling some of the frustration that many of us have felt for a long time, this whole deal is just a traveling Hendrick Nascar touring Circuit, not really glad you are feeling it, just glad you realize what we have seen & been dealing with, watched my first race at Martinsville in 1963, was hooked for many, many years, but the deal of today is just a pure fiasco
  22. Frevic
    22. Posted by Frevic Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:14 pm EST

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    And when the seats keeps getting fewer and fewer people in them, maybe these top nascar j-azzes will wake it, the fans supports and pays the show, but they could careless what we think, all about the almighty dollar
  23. cgk
    23. Posted by cgk Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:21 pm EST

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    I've been saying it for years , and once again they have proven me right . "The only problem in NASCAR is NASCAR '"
  24. cgk
    24. Posted by cgk Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:32 pm EST

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    If NASCAR wants to stop bump dafting why not make a "soft " nose on the cars so if you bump someone too hard it will flatten the nose of the car. A flat nose on the car will make it handle bad . That may not stop it but I bet it will make drivers think twice before bumping anyone !
  25. Jim T.
    25. Posted by Jim T. Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:59 pm EST

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    kinggeorge- #15 I agree in part with what your saying but I don't think firing Helton will fill the stands back up. I have said repeatedly that if Dale Jr was driving the 48 car and going for four in a row you wouldn't be able to find a ticket to any of the races. The 48 teams domination is what's killing ticket sales not Heltons on the fly rule changes. IMO

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