From the Marbles - NASCAR

There was a time when Talladega was the marquee event on the autumn NASCAR schedule, the race where anything could happen and carnage almost always ensued. Remember those times ... way back in, when was it, April? Yeah, those were great days.

Backstage secret: the comments where people rant about how NASCAR used to be better in "the good ol' days" (mostly, it wasn't) and how they're "done with NASCAR" (they aren't) usually drive me up the wall. It's usually one notch above kids stomping their feet and asking why they can't have another dessert.

This time, though ... this time, the whiners have a point.

Just hours before the flag dropped on Sunday's Amp Energy 500, NASCAR drivers were told -- in no uncertain terms -- that there would be no bump-drafting permitted in the corners, that there needed to be "daylight" between the bumpers of cars going into turns. The drivers, livid about the changes, staged their own little protest -- you want us to play nice, fine, we'll play so nice that we put everyone to sleep. Kevin Harvick joked about needing a spot to put his iPod, and Tony Stewart asked his crew for some No-Doz.

But all joking went out the window once Ryan Newman went wheels-up and another 13 cars got caught up and snuffed out all but the faintest championship hopes of Mark Martin and Jeff Gordon. Afterward, the drivers tore NASCAR a new one.

"Let us race," said Denny Hamlin, who was knocked out of the race early. "They gave us a car to race, now let the drivers handle it ... Pushing each other in the corners and all the way around, that is the safest driving you can possibly do because that's eight tires. The thing is, you'll see when the Big One happens, it will be someone just hitting someone down the straightaways because they were put in a box that said that was how they had to race."  (For the record, next time I go to Vegas, I'm taking Hamlin with me, because he was dead-on right.)

Mark Martin, who got turned upside down in the final wreck, didn't even begin to address the issue, except with his silence:

Q: Are you okay?
Martin: Yeah, I'm fine.

Q: What happened, what did you see?
Martin: Nothing.

"It was probably the most yawning that I've done in a superspeedway race," Brian Vickers said. "Maybe that's what they want, I'm not sure." Vickers did say that he didn't believe that the boredom was NASCAR's fault, but "I'm not really sure what the intent was. I don't think [the new rules] accomplished anything that had anything to do with a big crash or a Big One."

But it was Ryan Newman who unloaded on NASCAR with quote after damning quote. He said that the utter dullness of the race was "a product of this racing and what NASCAR has put us into with this box and these restrictor plates with these types of cars," Newman said. "You know, with the yellow line, no bump-drafting, no passing. Drivers used to be able to respect each other and race around each other. Richard Petty, David Pearson and Bobby Allison and all those guys have always done that. I guess they don't think much of us anymore."

As is so often the case, NASCAR had the right idea -- fewer catastrophic accidents -- but completely a fumble-footed way of implementing it. These things can be done more effectively and efficiently without ticking off both the fans and the drivers. Talladega verdict: fail. 

I don't need to tell you this, but: your turn. 

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  1. Harland
    1. Posted by Harland Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:37 am EST

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    Nascar used to be fun to watch, now it's a joke. Also Jonson is a stroker not like the past when real drivers raced not playing [profane] Johnson sucks.
  2. Steel Man
    2. Posted by Steel Man Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:01 am EST

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    The sport is DONE. I am going back to my local dirt track where I can still see racing (maybe catch a glimpse of Smoke, Schrader and others). My TV alternative is to watch golf, where I can see a man who drives a darn Buick win ! Real Shame. More tracks will go the way of Memphis.
  3. Reds24
    3. Posted by Reds24 Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:09 am EST

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    good article Jay, MM said it best with his silence... we are PI$$ED off....
  4. checkeredflagstilettos
    4. Posted by checkeredflagstilettos Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:30 am EST

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    I've never seen Mark Martin so visibly angry, even if he kept most of his thoughts to himself. The only thing more ridiculous than the rule itself was the way they dropped it on the drivers, with no warning, only hours before the race.
  5. Willy Doer
    5. Posted by Willy Doer Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:30 am EST

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    I was soooo looking forward to this race. Things came up and i had to sell my tickets, best move i made all year after watching that debacle of a single file parade. I don't blamw the drivers for what they did, the tail WAS wagging the dog on this one France and Helton.
  6. MDH
    6. Posted by MDH Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:31 am EST

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    I rarely if ever watch NASCAR. But with it being Talladega, I figured I would watch a few laps. To me, NASCAR's mandate that drivers not bump draft in the corners is the *exact* cause of Newman's accident. Drivers were letting up on the throttle to create the space that NASCAR wanted, and the accordion just couldn't stretch any further. The front car let up, the second car had to do so a split second later, then the third, etc. With that long of a line of cars, it was bound to happen. Newman just got caught in the center of the accordion with nowhere to go. It's a shame, really. Luckily no one got killed, to be honest.
  7. L n D
    7. Posted by L n D Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:33 am EST

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    Thank god for TiVo.. Im glad I could fast forward all those boring laps. When will they remove the plates and just let them run.. Cant get any worse that what I fast forwarded thru on Sunday..
  8. miss priss
    8. Posted by miss priss Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:54 am EST

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    Willie - you are right, it was a complete let down yesterday.
  9. Cale P
    9. Posted by Cale P Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:08 pm EST

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    I personally prefer the single-lane racing at Talladega. It reduces the chances that I'll see my favorite drivers cartwheeling down the backstretch.
    Talladega is a track that was ill-conceived and was inadequate and simply too dangerous from the time they designed it. NASCAR will never drop it because the scores of bloodthirsty fans who live for The Big One jack the ratings, and because they'd never admit that the place is a huge ongoing mistake. But if they truly wanted to do the right thing for once, axing Dega would be a huge step forward.
  10. Mike C
    10. Posted by Mike C Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:13 pm EST

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    It's ironic that the double yellow line has caused accidents due to blocking that NASCAR was trying to prevent. It also cost Regan Smith a win last year. Keep the plates, lose the yellow line, let them race & bump each other all they want. Accidents will happen regardless.
    If they are concerned about fan safety, reduce the seating in the grandstands. By the looks of the lack of spectators lately, they certainly have the room to do it.
  11. KerryE
    11. Posted by KerryE Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:21 pm EST

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    This race was the worst I have ever seen. I was at Dega the year Mark Martin won in a caution free race after a long rain delay. I think it was mothers day weekend. I thought that was a boring race. If Jimmie Johnson wins (and he will cause NASCAR wants him to) I will never, and I do mean never, watch a NASCAR race again. This crap gets worse every weekend. I go back to my comment some months ago "THE STANDS ARE EMPTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". I can remember in the 90's when you couldn't get in to a race if you didn't buy your tickets in advance. And don't feed me the economy bull....... The football games are still full... this should be some of the same fans. The NASCAR races are looking like the indy races where there are more empty seats than full ones. I don't know how many more empty seats it is going to take before the great and holy Mike Helton sees that the gravy train is wrecking like the last 10 laps at Dega. I get my racing fix now with F1 and NHRA. The only way that NASCAR could be more jacked up than it is right now is to turn it over to the Federal Government and let them run it. Obama could take Mike Helton's place as all high and mighty ruler of all things NASCAR. Congress or the Senate could make rulings on who crossed the finish line first. It would be like watching the comedy channel.......
  12. Gentler
    12. Posted by Gentler Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:30 pm EST

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    I have been a NASCAR fan for quite a while now, my first hero was Fireball Roberts, and I really yearn for the days when you could tell the difference between a Chevy and a Ford on the track. I agree that some saftey features are a needed thing but when it makes the sport as interesting as tennis it is time to take a long hard look at what is going on. LET THEM RACE.
    I never dreamed that anyone could make a Talladega race boring, but Helton sure overdid himself on this one. I have always looked forward to the weekends for racing but now it is becoming more like the wrestling than the racing.
  13. GWW Guru
    13. Posted by GWW Guru Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:44 pm EST

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    Yes, KerryE, NASCAR wants Johnson to win instead of, say, Earnhardt.
  14. grannyandpopy
    14. Posted by grannyandpopy Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:00 pm EST

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    Nascar better listen to the one source of their success the fans! Either they get their heads out of their rears or they will quickly become a distant memory. If they want to turn this sport into a sissified event all they have to do is look at F1's success in America. If you look at the stands there seem to be more and more open seats, after Talladega this will only be amplified. They have now managed to take the race out of racing. The same 5 guys win every week, & the loyal fans they once had are leaving Nascar quicker than people left England during the black plague. When you try to remove the one aspect of racing that attracts people "they idea of danger" and replace it with this new car, hair brained rules and lack of care to your fans. You will end up with nothing more than a memory of something that was once great.
  15. NostraChronus
    15. Posted by NostraChronus Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:09 pm EST

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    that race was a crock of sh-, and the drivers are as much to blame as nascar, with their faux-protest, in-car audio of them asking for i-pods and no dos, that was an insult to the fans.
  16. GARY O
    16. Posted by GARY O Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:11 pm EST

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    Great ideas, but nascar is not going to do away with resrictor plates. i you will remember, bobby allison's wreck is what stared all of this. the cot is part of the problem too. earhardt won his last race at dega coming from 18th place to win with restrictor plates and very little bump drafting. nascar cars has twiked it too much this time. attendance will suffer even more unless something drastic happens. old cars and no plates, won't happen.
  17. rslaw9@...
    17. Posted by rslaw9@... Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:15 pm EST

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    nascar is done. noone wants to see cars line up behine each other and run around the track. you cant fight talk or even race what a joke
  18. travis
    18. Posted by travis Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:18 pm EST

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    Nascar and WWE. Got to where the difference is no difference.I used to love Nascar but, I'm done.
  19. trabba98
    19. Posted by trabba98 Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:27 pm EST

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    I want to start off by saying that many of the safety features that NASCAR has implemented over the years have been great and probably saved a lot of injuries and lives, but these same rules and features (such as the COT) have also made racing very boring to the fan. Personally, I don't want to see one driver out fron by 20 car lengths dominating. I want to see racing, jockeying for position, etc..Plate races are the only ones that really brought that anymore, but that looks to be a thing of the past as well. So, congrats to JJ for winning a 4th consecutive Chase and probably many more to come. The sport is too much give and take anymore and not enough take due to points racing. Make being up front and winning mean more than 5 points and maybe it will bring some excitement back to see people trying to actually pass instead of just logging laps. 95% of the races anymore are boring. It's a great thing to turn on and take a nap on a Sunday afternoon!
  20. Ken T
    20. Posted by Ken T Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:31 pm EST

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    Another week, another Brad Kaslowski-caused accident. Why am I not surprised?
  21. Scott
    21. Posted by Scott Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:32 pm EST

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    I recorded the race and jumped forward to the last 20 laps. Boring, so I jumped again to the last 10 laps. Boring, I jumped again to the last 5 laps and watched till the end and I saw all that I needed to see. Big thank you to NASCAR for freeing up my Sunday!
  22. collierbjmt
    22. Posted by collierbjmt Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:32 pm EST

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    This race was one of the worst races I have ever watched. I know NASCAR is trying to protect the drivers and fans, but come on. If this is the race that NASCAR wants then they will reap what they sew. They will lose even more fans, especially at Dega, and the sport will continue to suffer. If NASCAR wants to slow the racing down at Dega, change the track. Flatten the turns so the cars have to handle better and slow down in the turns. Or, cut Dega from the circuit. I know if this is how it will be in the future, I will not watch and from the sounds of it many others are not going to watch. I love racing, but I will not watch this type of race, except maybe for the last half hour. I definitely will not spend money to go to the race.
  23. pelcamino72
    23. Posted by pelcamino72 Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:32 pm EST

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    is it me or do the new cars seem to get airborn easier then the old cars i quit watching nascar because they ruined it with the new car but watching the vids on the 2 wrecks the spoiler on the back of car seems to lift the car off the ground when someone gets turned around at high speeds how safe is that nascar will die unless they get rid of the cot cmon all take a stand and quit watching nascar until they fix it as sesame street is less boring
  24. Dani
    24. Posted by Dani Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:38 pm EST

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    Last night on ESPN it was reported that Robin Pemperton and Mike Helton said, "the new bump-drafting rule was put in place to "protect the drivers from themselves" and today's race was a "mission accomplished." Outrageous!!!
    By attempting to make the racing safer... they are making it more dangerous!!! They have now taken racing out of the race.
  25. Jeff H
    25. Posted by Jeff H Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:59 pm EST

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    post#10 Cale P....Dega was not ill conceived. the track was built for speed. they used to go fast there and do it safely. rule changes have made it dangerous.
    NASCAR didn't implement RP's because of bobby allisons crash. they put them because of bill elliott.the france family,being heavily invested in GM stock,saw his t-bird make up 2 laps under green and win that race in 1987 going away.they knew that no GM car could catch him so they slowed everybody down , taking away bill's advantage.
    NASCAR,to this day, has never tested this new car without a RP at Dega.they refuse,thinking slower is safer. well, they're wrong.it's obviuos slower is more dagerous.
    if they want to race without a RP and still be entertaining,they could build a car for that. they don't want to. crashes breed ratings.thats all they care about.....$$$$$$$$$$$......driver safety is a distant second.
    i've already sent them all the specs they need to build that car,but never heard back from them. it even costs less than the car they use now. so much for saving the owners money too.

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