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Let the talking begin. Tito Ortiz's return to the Octagon at UFC 106 was all set to be a sideshow. Sure "The Huntington Beach Bad Blab Boy" would do his share of trash-talking to hype his fight against Forrest Griffin but that match was merely an appetizer to the buffet UFC fans were presented with, in the Brock Lesnar-Shane Carwin fight.

That fight is gone, Lesnar is out with the flu. So Tito is back where he loves to be - center stage.

In the spotlight with pay-per-views to sell, "The Blab Boy" is ready to fire away. Hell, TMZ caught the guy trash-talking a bum in Hollywood earlier this month, so Griffin is easy pickings: 

"A lot of fans hate Forrest now after the Silva fight, but he usually brings it, and I always come to fight," told the L.A. Times.

What will the fan reaction be for Griffin after his mad dash from the cage at UFC 101 and a recent interview where he basically told fans he doesn't need them? Could it be that Ortiz, for once, will be the more popular fighter at UFC 106? And how will that contribute to Griffin's mental state on fight if he's greeted by the Bronx cheer? Ortiz thinks Griffin's spirit has been broken:

"You figure in losing the title [to Evans] that Forrest has doubt; he had doubt against Silva. This is all or nothing for him."

Ortiz, 34, coming back from back surgery, is training in Big Bear, Ca., and it sounds like his biggest hurdle is conditioning:

"And this is my comeback fight. I'm not going to lie, it's been a challenge for me. Not pain. I have no [back] pain, but I'm dealing with the fatigue from not fighting so long. I'm like 80-90% now, not 100. Coming back is hard mentally and physically."

Calling the Lyoto Machida-Mauricio Rua fight "dull," Times' writer Lance Pugmire pointed out that Ortiz thinks his fight against Griffin will be more action-packed.  

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  1. G.O.A.T.
    1. Posted by G.O.A.T. Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:19 am EDT

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    A lot of people hate Griffin? Where has Tito been? I would go out on a limb and say more people hate him. And why is he still prancing around with that washed up Meth addict? I cannot wait to see him get beat down by Griffin.
  2. Steven W
    2. Posted by Steven W Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:26 am EDT

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    geesh cofield.....spin away spin doctor
  3. Steven W
    3. Posted by Steven W Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:27 am EDT

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    and yes goat, plenty of people hate griffin.
  4. tdube09
    4. Posted by tdube09 Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:28 am EDT

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    eh goat after seeing some Forrest interviews and stuff and being in attendance of UFC 101 i have to say idk if he will beat Tito. he seems really out there mentally (now idk if he always has been or if it was just after the Silva fight) and he was talking about how he hadn't trained for a long while after fighting Silva... idk all i know is i wont be paying for this card now...
  5. G.O.A.T.
    5. Posted by G.O.A.T. Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:29 am EDT

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    maybe so but not as much as TITO, the last 5 years of his career he spent fighting the same bums over and over. I really cannot wait to see him in the octagon. Griffin aint no 40+ year old Ken Shamrock. I just hope he gets in there gets owned and goes back to his drug/porn parties. He made a good run there once upon a time, but it's a new day. Tito cannot hang with the top contenders in LH.
  6. John
    6. Posted by John Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:35 am EDT

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    Griffin can either use this fight to redeem himself or disappear off the radar. I'm a Griffin fan so I hope he makes a comeback. As long as he puts up a good fight win or lose, he'll stick around. Ortiz is always in top shape so I'm sure he'll be ready for a war.
  7. Steven W
    7. Posted by Steven W Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:39 am EDT

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    you may be right about him not contending anymore, but he hardly faced only bums for the past five years. his last 10 opponents have been randy, chuck, cote, belfort, forrest, shamrock, chuck again, rashad and lyoto. the same bums over and over? i think not.
  8. Rob R
    8. Posted by Rob R Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:02 pm EDT

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    Thanks for straightening that ridiculousness out, Steven. You left out "Shamrock again," but no big deal...your point is no less valid.
    As far as people hating Griffin, I don't know...I think what happened with him is that a lot of his fans almost felt betrayed the way he bolted the cage and then disappeared. It was out of line with his character and a complete 180 from just about everything he wrote in his book. And it's true that his interview with Farra didn't help much...though I think most of that interview was just tongue-in-cheek...Forrest Being Forrest.
    Personally, I'm a fan of his, and while I was definitely disappointed with him post-UFC 101 and disappointed with the Farra interview, but I wouldn't say I hate him. I definitely want him to win this fight.
    With Tito, though...people HATE him. He's arguably the most polarizing fighter in U.S. MMA history, even moreso than Lesnar.
  9. KB24
    9. Posted by KB24 Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:05 pm EDT

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    can the UFC add some more fights to the card ... they have proven they can do 13 in one night.
    Forrest Griffin vs. Tito Ortiz
    Luiz Cane vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira*
    Dustin Hazelett vs. Karo Parisyan
    Phil Baroni vs. Amir Sadollah
    Marcus Davis vs. Ben Saunders
    Kendall Grove vs. Jake Rosholt
    Brian Foster vs. Brock Larson*
    Paulo Thiago vs. Jacob Volkmann*
    Fabricio Camoes vs. Caol Uno*
    Jason Dent vs. George Sotiropoulos
  10. adrenax
    10. Posted by adrenax Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:17 pm EDT

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    Another example of your gossip skills!!!!
    Make us proud Steve!?!!?
  11. Clint
    11. Posted by Clint Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:23 pm EDT

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    Cofield - Tito isn't talking trash. He is hyping up a fight. And the TMZ thing was a setup and a joke. He didnt talk any smack there either. Get your facts straight! You keep trashing Tito yet he is the only real draw on this card. How about slamming Lesnar for dropping out of a fight 2 weeks early because of the Flu!!! That is a freakin joke! Slam Lesnar! Stop trying to be a spinmaster with this garbage. I'm sure if Tito makes it back to the top you will be the first one swinging from his nuts.
  12. Clint
    12. Posted by Clint Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:24 pm EDT

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    #9 - still not worth $44.95
  13. Rob R
    13. Posted by Rob R Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:30 pm EDT

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    I know everybody whines and moans when there's a PPV without a title fight, but is this card really that bad? Especially when you consider that they'll probably fill the Carwin-Lesnar slot with at least a main-card-worthy fight.
    The first 6 fights on the list KB24 posted are all fights that interest me:
    - Sorry...but Griffin-Ortiz 1 was awesome, and I wanted to see that rematch anyway. The fight has big implications for both guys.
    - Cane v. Lil Nog: Cane gets no love, and Lil Nog will probably challenge for the title in the next couple years.
    - Hazelett and Parisyan are two of the more unique fighters at 170. Plus, I'm from Cincy and hate Karo, so I have a clear favorite in that fight.
    - Amir is being given a huge opportunity to beat a big name...even if he's nothing more than a name right now.
    - When has a Marcus Davis fight ever been boring? And how many 6'3" welterweights are there?
    - For that matter...how many 6'6" middleweights are there? And can Rosholt close the distance to use his wrestling?
    Sorry if I sound like a salesman, but I'm still watching UFC 106.
  14. MaTt
    14. Posted by MaTt Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:36 pm EDT

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    now that lesnar and carwin are not on the card, it really isnt worth buying anymore. i think the free one the week before is more appealing honestly.
  15. Rob R
    15. Posted by Rob R Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:43 pm EDT

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    Clint...If Lesnar really had to take 3 weeks out of his training to fight off the flu, then he's certainly justified to ask for a postponement of the fight.
    Yeah, yeah...I know Noguiera fought right after getting out of the hospital with staph. Well...that wasn't too smart of Noguiera, was it? UFC didn't want Lesnar to fight until 2010 anyway (after Cain-Carwin), but Lesnar wanted to get in there sooner. He's going to be a fighting champion, but you can't expect a guy to fight when he can't even train for three consecutive weeks in a critical part of a well-planned training camp.
    Carwin accepted and understood that Lesnar couldn't go. If Lesnar's excuse is good enough for Carwin (who previously voiced his general dislike of Lesnar), why not you?
  16. Robert C
    16. Posted by Robert C Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:43 pm EDT

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    This is Tito running his mouth? I don;t think so. What he said does not sound like running his mouth in the least. I expected to see - Tito says Forrest is a chicken - Tito says he would beat Anderson Silva - Tito vows to KO Griffin faster than the Spider did. All things that actually seem plausible that Tito would say them. Those things you could call running your mouth...not what he actually said.
    Holy Crap, I just realized I am defending Tito.....NOOOOOO!!
  17. VladBoss
    17. Posted by VladBoss Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:45 pm EDT

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    I'm a sucker!! I watch all the cards no matter what... It seems the cards you think are going to be crap turn out to be Barn-Burners!!
    i hope they can put together at least one more good fight for the card thou... Ortiz vs. Griffin can turn out to be a snooze-Fest!!
  18. G.O.A.T.
    18. Posted by G.O.A.T. Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:51 pm EDT

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    #7 Yeah lets look at the list, Who did he beat that matters on that list? The only people he beat were the same bums over and over LIKE I SAID... Come on at least have something of substance if you want to call me out noob.
    Loss Lyoto Machida
    Draw Rashad Evans
    Loss Chuck Liddell
    Win Ken Shamrock
    Win Ken Shamrock
    Win Forrest Griffin
    Win Vitor Belfort
    Win Patrick Cote
    Loss Chuck Liddell
    Loss Randy Couture
  19. BNG
    19. Posted by BNG Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:58 pm EDT

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    I stopped watching UFC around UFC 9 and started up again around UFC 80. But, I have always tracked MMA. There has never been a UFC that I felt was not worth watching (of the ones I've seen). Oh, there have been several that I know were not worth the PPV cost or paying top dollar for a ticket, but each one has been worth seeing on DVD or Spike or paying the $10 cover at my neighborhood sportsbar. Often times the undercard has the most action-packed fights, just like 104. But, the only champion I don't like to watch is Silva. He's so good its boring. And I hate how he mocks his opponent in the cage. Hey, its a great strategy because it frustrates the opponent. But, as an audience member it drives me nuts.
    So, all of you that state before a fight that there are no match-ups that interest you, just go back to 104's undercard and look at how much awesome action there was that night. Undercard fighters are hungry and want to put on a show. They want the fight of the night, knockout of the night, etc. to get that bonus money. I'll always find a way to watch UFC.
  20. Rob R
    20. Posted by Rob R Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:02 pm EDT

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    I'm sorry...did you just call Steven W a "noob?"
    A) That's lame.
    B) Steven knows his stuff.
    You said he "fought" the same "bums" over and over...you didn't say anything about winning or losing. Though I don't think having Forrest, Vitor, and Cote on your hitlist is such a bad thing. He also won 2 of the three rounds against Evans if not for the penalty point. There's nothing shameful about losing to Liddell, Couture, or Machida.
    His fight resume has nothing to do with whether people like him or hate him. His personality takes care of that.
  21. Sandman
    21. Posted by Sandman Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:05 pm EDT

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    @ Rob R
    I have to disagree about the value of the proposed card. Most of the fighters on that card are bottom feeders. Most are TUF rejects.
    Forrest Griffin (lowest of the LHW)
    Tito Ortiz (Unknown as his time off)
    Luiz Cane (ok, nothing special)
    Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (ok, nothing special)
    Dustin Hazelett (middle of the road)
    Karo Parisyan (will never amount to anything)
    Phil Baroni (total bum)
    Amir Sadollah (TUF joker)
    Marcus Davis (cool guy, ok fighter)
    Ben Saunders (TUF joker)
    Kendall Grove (potential)
    Jake Rosholt (nothing special)
    Brian Foster (nobody)
    Brock Larson (nothing special)
    Paulo Thiago (unproven)
    Jacob Volkmann (nobody)
    Fabricio Camoes (nobody)
    Caol Uno (WAY TOO OLD AND IRRELEVANT)
    Jason Dent (nothing special)
    George Sotiropoulos (TUF middle of the road guy)
    I don’t see any real value in this card.
  22. BNG
    22. Posted by BNG Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:06 pm EDT

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    I like Griffin more than Tito. But, Tito did gain me as a supporter after he coached TUF. He was by far the better man than Shamrock (who I previously idolized). I don't see Tito's remarks about Forrest as disparaging. It is true that Griffin lost the favor of many fans with his behavior since UFC 101. But, sorry Tito, I don't feel there is a huge fan base asking to see you back in the Octagon, either. I think you may still have some gas in the tank and your chin may still be solid (unlike Liddell who also seems to want to return), but there just has not been a big outcry of MMA fans wondering where Tito's been. I wish both fighters luck in their bout. But, I'd rather see Forrest return to glory than Tito.
    Tito needs to coach another TUF season. He really shone there.
  23. Sandman
    23. Posted by Sandman Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:09 pm EDT

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    @ Rob
    I agree with everything you said in respect to G.O.A.T.'s stupid post. Steven knows MMA and GOAT is not making much sense.
  24. tdube09
    24. Posted by tdube09 Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:23 pm EDT

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    @ G.O.A.T.
    "last 5 years of his career he spent fighting the same bums over and over."
    Ummm hate to be the bearer of bad new, but Steven W is right and knows his stuff. First off you didn't say win at all... you said fight and tito hasn't FOUGHT the same people over and over... so he has beaten the same people in what looks like rematches. not over and over... so get your head out of your @$$, and as a UCONN basketball coach once said "GET SOME FACTS AND COME BACK AND SEE ME"
    oh and another thing... Bums?? you mean to tell me lyoto (LHW champ), Rashad (former LHW champ), Vitor (who is soon challenging The spider for the MW belt), Couture (who is still good enough to compete for a title NOW), and even chuck when they fought the first time were BUMS?!?!?! WOOOOOWWWW son
  25. Rob R
    25. Posted by Rob R Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:26 pm EDT

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    Sandman: Forrest Griffin (lowest of the LHW)? Because he lost to Rashad and Spider? Wow...tough crowd.
    The fact that Tito is an unknown should make you want to watch. And in his last fight, he was within an eyelash of derailing the Machida Train.
    Cane and Lil Nog are far from "nothing special." Depending where you look, both are in the top 15, if not the top 10 at 205. I see the winner of that fight as being one win away from a title shot.
    Hazelett and Parisyan might not be championship material, but they're both unique fighters.
    The people you say are "unproven" or "nobody" or "irrelevant" are on the preliminary card, so you wouldn't be paying to see them anyway. And Uno is 40 fights old, but he's only 34 years old.
    Maybe I'm a sucker, but I'm watching this card. If not at home, then for free at BW3.
    I don't consider Sadollah or Saunders "jokers."

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