Breakfast Table: Booth review

From: Michael Salfino
Date: Tue, Nov. 10, 2009 at 9:39 PM
Subject: Pats-Colts Breakfast
To: Scott Pianowski

Or “Week 10” if you prefer. But let me say first that we are really fortunate as lovers of NFL football to have two inner-circle Hall of Fame QBs like Peyton Manning(notes) and Tom Brady(notes) playing overlapping careers and playing in the same conference – thus getting more chances to face each other head-to-head. So, this is a special week and I’m really looking forward to the game. It’s the Sunday Nighter, too, so you get your boy Cris Collinsworth (I’ll take Jon Gruden any day).

We’ve passed the halfway points so the GPS should have kicked in by now and given us a very definite sense of whether some key teams are going in the direction of “pretender” or “contender.” In other words, anyone who wants to bet me this week laying 3-to-1 odds on the Chargers winning the AFC West over the suddenly very offensively challenged Broncos – you’re on. Which teams are you ready to make a call on? Is this Jeff Erickson’s year with the Bengals? Is the plague of frogs next?

I wasted some good material on a Yahoo! comment board responding to a surly reader who was mocking my math ability for questioning the “keep the opposing offense off the field” strategy of the Dolphins. Maybe “wasted” is too strong a word. But it was a lot of work to counter an argument by one person. So, here it is for you all: given the outer limits of reasonable assumptions regarding the relative quality of NFL teams, the weaker team has about a three percent better chance of winning by giving the opponent two less possessions (about the limits of what you can do with time of possession). So, it’s a waste of time, literally and figuratively – better to focus on figuring out a way to score more points.

Steelers-Bengals should be touched on. Philly at San Diego, too. I’m not going out of my way to focus on any other games, not even Dallas at Green Bay (the Cowboys will win handily). What about you? Breakfast is served.

From: Scott Pianowski
Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Pats-Colts Breakfast
To: Michael Salfino

Jon Gruden’s been mediocre at best on Monday Night Football. “Brett Keisel(notes) is a football player. He really brings it!” When someone can coerce Gruden to actually break down a play, I’m intrigued, and he’s excellent. But he spends too much time with empty and generic gushing, and the show really breaks down when Gruden and Ron Jaworski get silly (which seems to happen 3-4 times a night; throw out any five-syllable word and the booth turns into a slumber party).

It’s a shame. Grudes and Jaworski know so much about football, especially quarterback play, but it’s like pulling teeth to get them to share it. This could be an outstanding team (Mike Tirico is outstanding as the traffic cop) but it isn’t. Of course, you and I aren’t the target audience here, MNF is aimed at a different type of viewer.

I’m surprised you don’t like Collinsworth. He’s constantly watching the play away from the ball and he doesn’t need several replays before he says anything insightful (aka, the Troy Aikman problem). And Al Michaels is still one of the top play-by-play guys around.

I was blown away at how dominant Pittsburgh looked on Monday night at Denver. Okay, the Broncos are no great shakes, but the Steelers have it all right now – a lead back who can run inside and out, reliable short passing, explosive plays downfield, 2-3 dynamic playmakers on defense (that unit is completely different with Troy Polamalu(notes) back). Ben Roethlisberger(notes) has grown into one of the five best players in the league; his glowing stats in his early years were misleading, the residual of throwing out of hitter counts, but everything we see on the paper now is authentic. The AFC better hope these guys don’t get a first-round bye.

That doesn’t mean the Bengals can’t compete with them, of course. I gotta give it up to Marvin Lewis, he’s done a fantastic job. Carson Palmer(notes) finally is back to full health and, more importantly, full confidence, Chad Ochocinco(notes) and Cedric Benson(notes) have resurrected their careers, Mike Zimmer has a good thing going with the defense. Even with scrubby Cleveland mucking things up, the AFC North looks like the best division in football.

I’m still feeling my way through the Patriots and Colts. New England feels like a Christmas toy that hasn’t been taken out of the box yet; it’s been such a long time since it faced an offense with teeth (Baltimore, Week 4). The Colts can hang their hat on Peyton Manning (never better) and their pass rush without gimmicks, but good teams will expose this secondary, right? At the end of the day what gets the check mark, Bill Belichick’s mind or Peyton Manning’s on-field instincts?

I’m not fully buying the Cowboys. I hate this offense when it gets close to the goal line, and that’s an area that differentiates great teams from ordinary ones. The big kids get close to the goal, you know they’re punching it in. Dallas gets close and you feel like changing the channel. San Diego has some of that feel to it, too, but I think Norv Turner is almost ready to accept what the rest of us know about LaDainian Tomlinson(notes). It’s a shame they didn’t wait one more year on Michael Turner(notes), but that’s life in the salary cap world – you can’t devote too much money to one position.

Philly’s a bit of an enigma, too. So many dangerous skill players on offense but I don’t like the line, Donovan McNabb’s(notes) accuracy comes and goes, and it’s hard to trust a scheme that’s so imbalanced. The punchlines write themselves with Andy Reid, but for six days a week, he’s a fantastic coach. Is Brian Westbrook(notes) just one step behind Tomlinson on the way out the door, or does Waldo – one of my favorite players of the decade – have some juice left? I’m picking Philly over San Diego for one simple reason – I never trust either of these teams as a favorite.

From: Michael Salfino
Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:08 PM
Subject: Super Charging
To: Scott Pianowski

For me, Gruden conveys the physicality and aggression of the game – its essence – much better than Collinsworth, who always has that look and tone of some guy delivering a punch line in a lame sitcom.

I don’t want to bury the lede with the Steelers – which is that they are great when they go three wide with Mike Wallace(notes) and no-huddle and become a pass-first team that sets up the run that way. They held the Broncos up for a while in the first half by playing old-timey Steelers football. Why don’t we have huddle/no huddle splits? Also note that the Wonder Boy Wannabee Coaching Genius Josh McDaniels kept Elvis Dumervil(notes) and his 10.5 sacks on the sideline most times when Pittsburgh was no huddle. Call a timeout if that’s the only way you can get him back on the field? Bizarre. It’s not like the no-huddle was some unexpected Pittsburgh strategy.

As RotoWire’s Jeff Erickson noted to me on his show this week when I opined again that this is a QB league – “Look at the Bengals without Carson Palmer last year and with a healthy Palmer this year.” Remember, at the end of last season, we Tabled about how the Bengals defense was a pain in the neck. But then I made fun of them for being a non-entity during the “Hard Knocks” season on HBO. Why didn’t I respect them more in August? It seems reasonably obvious in retrospect. Steelers by a TD, though. We agree.

AFC North, best division in football? Nah. NFC East. The Steelers are the best team but the Cowboys and Eagles are next and we can’t forget the Giants, right? Or can we? At least we can be certain they won’t lose again this week. (Chris) Liss, though, likes the Bye Week to cover.

How good are the Cowboys? I say pretty damn good – Saints, Cowboys and Vikings look like the teams to beat in the NFC. But don’t ask me to pick one of them right now.

I’m growing fond of Dallas after everyone buried them and Tony Romo(notes). Your goal-to-goal stat has all kinds of sample size problems. They’re 22nd right now in converting these situations into TDs. But they are third-best in running efficiency and usually if you can run, you do well in tight. The Titans are first in YPR (yards per rush) and seventh in GTG TD%. Jacksonville is second and fifth. The Jets are fourth and 10th. The Panthers are a big outlier, also, at fifth and 28th, but their QB is terrible now. Romo is not. So, if the Cowboys are 6-2 with a weakness that doesn’t make sense, that means they’re likely better than their record, not worse.

The Eagles seem confusing until you accept that the offense relies totally on the big play and is otherwise poor. Their receivers are not built for moving the chains. Philly’s defense is top shelf but that’s not enough to get beyond being a borderline playoff team. Yes, put two-and-two together with what I said about the divisions above and you can surmise that I trust the Ravens even less. Baltimore has no pass defense. And Joe Flacco(notes) is not there yet.

The Chargers are a sleeping giant. They are moving steadily up my defensive rankings. At least Norv Turner is running less. They have the best stable of wideouts in football and a very good QB, who actually might be great. The Chargers will win this week, I’m fairly certain, by at least a TD. They’re super charging right now. (Did you know they got their name because their first AFL owner made his fortune hawking credit cards? That Showtime special on the AFL was FANTASTIC and we didn’t give it enough – any? – Breakfast juice.)

I’d like to enjoy the Pats-Colts without feeling I have a stake in the outcome. But that’s the drawback to being a pro, I guess. So, if I must: Colts 31, Patriots 26.

From: Scott Pianowski
Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:57 PM
Subject: east coast offense
To: Michael Salfino

Gruden grunts better and makes a better scowl, I’ll give you that. But Collinsworth is much more insightful. The frustrating thing is that we know Gruden has a tremendous amount of insight, but we’re not hearing very much of it.

The Steelers look like the best team in football right now. And everyone loves Mike Wallace, except for Limas Sweed(notes), I suppose.

Our buddy Mark Stopa points out that the Bengals have a negative net YPA on the season, a stunner for a team that’s 6-2 and beaten some good clubs. I still think Cincinnati is legit; I like their corners, Cedric Benson is legit, and it’s the first time Carson Palmer has looked back to normal since before the knee blowout. But Pittsburgh has too many things working right now. Steelers 27, Bengals 21.

I’m not sold on the NFC East. Tony Romo, Donovan McNabb, Eli Manning(notes), these are week-to-week guys. With Romo it’s mechanics, with McNabb it’s accuracy, with Eli, I don’t know, ask Liss. The Giants offense hasn’t looked the same since Manning got dinged up (or maybe it’s Ahmad Bradshaw’s(notes) foot). New York is in the middle of the pass-defense stats, and the pass rush hasn’t been consistent; said another way, no one is afraid of this defense.

My eyes tell me Dallas isn’t getting it done at the goal line and your stats say it too. Don’t small-sample me, we’re in the second week of November. It’s going to cost them eventually. Philadelphia and Dallas have the same problem on offense, too much reliance on the big play. When’s the last time Marian Barber really scared anyone? I have a funny feeling Green Bay picks Dallas off this week.

I don’t have a strong read on the Pats and Colts, and like you I’d prefer to watch it without a dug-in opinion. At the end of the day trusting the Patriots defense is a speculation play. I know what Peyton Manning can do. I still don’t think Tom Brady is all the way back, he left some points on the field last week (thrashing the Titans in the snow is nice, but it doesn’t necessarily translate here). Call it Colts by 3, though the AFC becomes a lot more fun if the Patriots win.

I better send this in before it’s intercepted by the 49ers.

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    The Peteis Mon Nov 16, 2009 02:51 pm PST Report Abuse
    Great response, "Peteis either has no understanding of football AND statistics or can't clearly convey his thoughts with the written word."

    I love the way you didn't bother to "look-up" anything to defend your argument or refute mine. So you're six-feet tall and fat, and you used to be good at sports as a kid...skippety-doo-da, still a stat nerd to me.

    What gets under my skin are guys like you who produce crap and still get a paycheck for it. I swear I don't single you out Salfino, it just seems like it because I attack any weak argument I find on Yahoo, and unfortunately most of yours fall into that category. Your arguments tend to be too stat-centric, it's like you forget that sports are played in the real-world and not on paper. When I read your posts and comments I'm reminded of Samuel Clemens' famous line, "There are 3 kinds of lies in this world: lies, damn lies, and statistics." Jumble the numbers around and you'll find a stat to fit any argument. Give us some legitimate analysis, not a stat taken out of context. If you did a better job of writing out your arguments you wouldn't find yourself so pissed off when you're asked to defend them.
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    Dan B Sun Nov 15, 2009 03:38 pm PST Report Abuse
    indeed.
    so much for you "dallas will win handily" prediction. but i was also incorrect in predicting a shootout but i think we are seeing these teams are more even than you gave GB credit for. (at the time i wrote this it was 3-0 GB start of the 4th)
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    Salfino Fri Nov 13, 2009 04:24 pm PST Report Abuse
    It gets under my skin not to have to defend stats, which are just an analytical tool, not a substitute for analysis, but to have to defend myself as some caricature of a pencil-pushing spaz with Coke-bottle glasses. So, attack the arguments. That's very healthy. Attack the efficacy of the various stat tools. But don't attack me for something irrelevant and, most annoyingly, for being something I'm actually not.
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    Dan B Fri Nov 13, 2009 04:19 pm PST Report Abuse
    you get defensive and say you're not a stat nerd but then run off several stat arguements and that often seems to be the avenue you take in defense of your points/beliefs. im not accusing you of actually being a "stat nerd" im just saying.
    got a little chippy there salfino. did peteis (very strange name i think) strike a cord with you?
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    Ted Dibiase Fri Nov 13, 2009 02:02 pm PST Report Abuse
    "I've sold 10 years worth of footwear at Gary's Shoes in the mall.

    And, for the record, I'm 6-1, 220 and threw the crap out of a football when I was a kid (and still can as a relatively old man). I never played organized sports after after hike school because, I married a red headed beast. The best was when the football team would challenge us and I scored 4 TDs on Thanksgiving weekend. This was in the time before we lived in such a fearful society where our children have to be kept under lock and key because of distorted, media-fed fears of NO MA'AM."
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    Salfino Fri Nov 13, 2009 01:56 pm PST Report Abuse
    Good one, MDS. But it's a three percent advantage -- BEST CASE SCENARIO. And that makes assumptions favorable to your point of view that I'm uncomfortable making. This isn't college basketball. You're never going to be that overmatched in the NFL while also having the ability to manage the clock.

    ONE BIG POINT: I tracked Move Net, devised by Dick Vermeil with Bud Goode back in the '70s, for years and it didn't correlate well to winning and losing at all -- so I scrubbed it. Some coaches still use it. The stat is, pass completions plus rushing attempts for minus pass completions plus rushing attempts allowed. Now it might randomly be correlating now, but over the 2000-to-2006 period? Feh.
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    Salfino Fri Nov 13, 2009 01:31 pm PST Report Abuse
    I love how people assume I'm some kind of stat nerd. The ignoramuses, I might add. Peteis either has no understanding of football AND statistics or can't clearly convey his thoughts with the written word.

    Does it ever occur to anyone to look any of this stuff up? To do any casual research? I've studied 10 years worth of data and running efficiency correlates quite closely with red zone efficiency. In fact, it's the only are where running efficiency correlates really well to anything positive.

    And, for the record, I'm 6-1, 220 and threw the crap out of a football and baseball when I was a kid (and still can as a relatively old man). I never played organized sports after after Little League despite coaches begging me to because, when I was a kid, they were a drag. We played every day in every way for hours on end, going from one sport to another. The best was when the football team would challenge us and we would invariably kick their ass on Thanksgiving weekend. This was in the time before we lived in such a fearful society where our children have to be kept under lock and key because of distorted, media-fed fears of predatory adults.
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    Ted Dibiase Fri Nov 13, 2009 01:28 pm PST Report Abuse
    who is that surly commenter? he sounds awesome
    limit the number of possessions, increase odds for winning
    dont argue. its pure math. my comments should have been posted in a science journal
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    Kid Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:58 pm PST Report Abuse
    Probably the best outcome to clock management is giving players a chance to rest. It's a big reach to directly tie "running out the clock" or "controlling the clock" to who wins the game, in terms of time-of-possession, anyway. Ideally, a team would want to run up the score early and force a defense to play from behind; this makes it exponentially easier for a defense, because they know what's coming and can anticipate. I like whoever suggested that the team that scored first might have a significantly higher chance of winning (statistically), because even being down 7-0 in the first quarter, the losing team must adjust its gameplan. Maybe the coach doesn't consciously do it, but a little bit of desperation kicks in.

    Time-of-possession is a meaningless stat - I guess, in it's best case, it shows which team is more efficient at consistently moving the ball. In its worst case, it shows a team that is capable of picking up a minimum of 2.5 yards per play, repeatedly. The stat doesn't reveal anything about an offense's ability to score points, just that they can move the ball just enough to maintain possession.

    "Joe Schmoe is a football player!" - needs to be retired. Gruden could say just about anything else: "World-class open field tackler!", " Innate ability to lead block for the RB!", "Brilliantly athletic pass defended", and it would both convey the skill and the player's exhibition of that skill.

    Also needing to be retired:
    "Skill set" - Noun
    "Clutch player" - Noun
    "Electric" - Adjective
    "Explosive" - Adjective

    Dallas' misuse of Felix Jones is awful.

    Aaron Rodgers is a really good QB, hindered by an awful O-line... and the analysis should really stop about there.
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    The Peteis Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:51 pm PST Report Abuse
    Good job Piano-man of not letting Salfino out of quite possibly one of the dumbest arguments of all time "Your goal-to-goal stat has all kinds of sample size problems. They’re 22nd right now in converting these situations into TDs. But they are third-best in running efficiency and usually if you can run, you do well in tight."

    For one its hippocritical to even question sample size when the reason why Dallas' running efficiency is even decent is primarily because of the great numbers they put up weeks 1-3, not what they've been doing recently. Two, running efficiency means absolutely nothing outside of the green patch between the 20's. For guys like Salfino who never played the game, let me explain what happens to a normal running game when its squeezed into the red-zone...Defenses have less space to have to be concerned with allowing them to load the box squeezing both passing and rushing lanes.
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    FrancisE Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:26 pm PST Report Abuse
    "What frustrates me about Gruden is that I know he could be great at this gig. I just wish we could get more play breakdowns, more subtle nuances and less of "Brett Keisel is a football player!" I know it's not water polo out there, Grudes."

    Seconded, Pianow. The first game was promising, the second a little less so... and now, it's like he's doing a Color Man parody character rather than calling a game.
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    FrancisE Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:24 pm PST Report Abuse
    "Gruden conveys the physicality and aggression of the game – its essence – much better than Collinsworth..."

    So, in short, you're a sizzle guy. You actually prefer the WAY that Gruden conveys inane sentiments-- "This guy right here, he's a FOOTBALL PLAYER"-- to Collinsworth providing actual insight in what seems a smug manner to you?

    Hell, I'll take the smarm, if it comes with incisive comments about line play, how wide receivers get separation, and QB spies.
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    Dan B Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:08 am PST Report Abuse
    agreed the sacks are on rodgers but they still score. statistically GB defense is about 50 yards better per game than dallas. dallas is giving up about .6 more yards per carry, im not sure about yards per pass attempt. GB is giving up a few more points per game but not a lot. and the offenses are only seperated by about 30 yards and .2 points per game in dallas' favor. point is green bay's offense still scores at a good rate and picks up good yardage totals and if you consider the GB defense to not be much to worry about then you should feel about the same about dallas. the cowboys secondary can be beat. i just dont see the dallas defense, who in yardage statistics is worse than GB, shutting down the GB offense. despite the sacks, no one really has.
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    Salfino Fri Nov 13, 2009 09:44 am PST Report Abuse
    It's 20 passes from the nine-yard-line in. He has an 83.3 rating with four TD passes. Not good. But 20 PASSES!! Relax about that. There's much more meaningful data this year with Romo. Note I just found out that searching for "Romo splits" does not get you where you want to go unless you want to go "Romo-Jessica Simpson."
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    Yahoo! Sports Staff pianow Fri Nov 13, 2009 09:35 am PST
    Explain to me why Dallas can't throw from in close. Some of that has to be on Romo.
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    Yahoo! Sports Staff pianow Fri Nov 13, 2009 09:33 am PST
    What frustrates me about Gruden is that I know he could be great at this gig. I just wish we could get more play breakdowns, more subtle nuances and less of "Brett Keisel is a football player!" I know it's not water polo out there, Grudes.
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    porsche_playa Fri Nov 13, 2009 09:17 am PST Report Abuse
    @Salfino: Aaron Rodgers = Rob Johnson. There is some truth to that, at least in how they react to pressure. I fully agree Rodgers is to blame on a lot of sacks. The big difference between last year and this year was Rodgers was able to work out of a cleaner pocket last year which made his style of play a better fit for his situation. It wasn't a great fit, mind you, but it was better.

    I also agree with your call on Packers/Cowboys. Now of course some bizzarre special-teams play will go and screw it up, but you are on the right track.
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    Salfino Fri Nov 13, 2009 08:53 am PST Report Abuse
    Excellent comments, guys. Porsche -- love your Big Ben stuff. Aaron Rodgers reminds me a little of Rob Johnson, which is not a compliment. He's better, but he has the same weakness -- he runs into trouble. Remember, sacks are on the QB, too. At least half of the Packers protection problems are Rodgers's fault.

    Of course, in the NFL, you kill your opponents early with the passing game and then kill the clock late. But I thought by implication we were talking about using a clock-killing strategy right out of the gate and as long as the score was close.

    Hey, I was giving Gruden love. I like the guy way more than than smarmy Collinsworth.

    Pianow is all wrong about the Cowboys, the Cowboys-Packers and Romo. Romo is a very good QB, much better than Rodgers in real life. Dallas will get six or seven sacks at least. So how does Green Bay win? They don't. They will threaten like they do at some point every week, and then fold, literally, under the pressure, as they almost always do, too.
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    KB Fri Nov 13, 2009 08:19 am PST Report Abuse
    How dare you talk smack about Gruden. He is light years ahead of Dennis Miller or Tony Kornhole. He is a positive personality in the booth who knows his football. He's not sharing enough game secrets with you? What? I don't even understand what your petty complaint is. Must be running out of material. He's a former coach and he may again become a head coach. He's not going to share all his inside tips and knowledge of the game. The fact is - he is the best thing to happen to MNF in decades and frankly, the Yahoo! writers oughta be a little jealous that Gruden actually knows what he's talking about.....

    sorry, but what a dumb column....
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    Chad Fri Nov 13, 2009 08:04 am PST Report Abuse
    Patrick Willis had a PD last night when he almost sacked Cutler and deflected the pass!!!! Give it to him!!!!!
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    Ross B Fri Nov 13, 2009 08:00 am PST Report Abuse
    "Cincinnati is legit...Cedric Benson is legit."

    OMG when did we fall into Bizzaro-world.
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    Dan B Fri Nov 13, 2009 07:16 am PST Report Abuse
    me too pianow. i think green bay can score on the dallas defense. i see somewhat of a shootout coming with both teams scoring right around 30 points. the GB defense isnt formidable but their offense is good and they are at home. plus they need this win more than dallas does. romo and rodgers have both made their fair share of mistakes but rodgers has more to do with taking too many sacks whereas romo at times can be a turnover machine. im not saying that will happen this week i just think this game will be a lot closer than salfino suggests
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    porsche_playa Fri Nov 13, 2009 07:04 am PST Report Abuse
    Good point about Roethlisberger.

    To me, the hidden value of Big Ben is that he completely understands the advantage that his size and arm strength brings him and he takes full advantage of it. What he does so well is hold the ball for an extra second or two and allow the big play to develop, then he has the gun and the accuracy to make the play often enough to offset the potential negative value of the play (a sack).

    If he was a smaller guy, he couldn't play this way because he'd be too easy to bring down. His size allows him to shrug off most attempts where the defender can't bring his full strength/power to bear on the sack attempt. A large percentage of sacks leaguewide are of this variety.

    If he had less arm strength or accuracy, he wouldn't be able to hit on the big play as often, which would ultimately tilt the risk/reward ratio against this behavior.

    Aaron Rogers is a good counter-illustration. He seems to try to play the same kind of game as Big Ben, but he doesn't have the size (or pocket awareness) to avoid the arm-tackle style sacks like Ben. The result is that while he does connect on big plays, he's not doing so often enough to outweigh the negative consequences of his playing style...sacks. The risk/reward for him is tilted towards failure rather than success.

    And before the dog-piling begins...yes, I'm aware that Rogers is better in most fantasy scoring formats than Big Ben. I'm talking real-life football, not fantasy. In real life, Rogers needs to change his style to give his team the best chance to win. Maybe if he had a better O-line he could get away with what he does but the fact is, his line isn't pass-blocking particularly well and he needs to adjust to the reality of his situation.
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    porsche_playa Fri Nov 13, 2009 06:37 am PST Report Abuse
    A few thoughts on attempting to "shorten" games and limit TOP for the other team by engaging in clock-killing drives.

    -Mike is absolutely correct that scoring the maximum amount of points has to be the overriding goal over clock management. TDs are the premium result because the best the opponent can do is keep up. If you are getting the max result (a TD) from a drive then you put more pressure on your opponent.

    -I'd like to know what's the winning percentage of teams who score the first TD of the game. Maybe I'm way off base but I'd bet it's near 60%.

    -However, the deeper you get into a game, the more important the clock becomes. Assuming you have a lead, then killing clock becomes a more and more viable strategy as the game wears on. To illustrate, just take the extreme example of the kneel-down. At this point, yardage and points are totally unnecessary because you can limit the opponent to zero subsequent possessions by killing the clock completely. With 4 minutes left and a 7 point lead there is less value to eating clock than there is when there's less than 2 minutes left, but far more value than there would be at the beginning of the game.

    Simple stuff, I know, but the point is you can't just arbitrarily say eating clock has less value than scoring points. It's a spectrum where the balance constantly moves away from scoring points and towards killing clock the closer you get to the end of the game.

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