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    Spin Doctors: Brett Lawrie vs. Alex Rodriguez

    Brett Lawrie (Getty Images)

    You should all know the Spin Doctors rules by now: Two members of the Yahoo! fantasy team debate the merits of two similarly ranked fantasy assets, then readers get to tell us both how horribly wrong we are in comments. And then everyone gives a thumbs-down to Fitzy. Today, we're discussing Toronto's Brett Lawrie (Yahoo! ADP 54.4) and New York's Alex Rodriguez (45.9), which would have seemed ridiculous just 12 months ago. But times change, and so we spin...

    Behrens begins: If you want to accuse me of drinking the Lawrie Kool-Aid, fine. I'll accept your abuse. If you think I'm naively paying a hopeful price on a guy who might be great in the big leagues, but hasn't done it yet, well ... yeah, OK. Fair enough.

    The fact is, I don't make a habit of drafting very young players (he's 22) with very early picks (he's No. 29 in my ranks) unless I think I'm getting an absolute star, a player with the potential to deliver first-round value. Lawrie, to me, looks like a five-category beast. He was basically unstoppable at Triple-A last season, hitting .353/.415/.661 at Las Vegas with 18 home runs over 69 games, plus he was 13-for-15 on stolen base attempts. When he made the jump to the majors, he continued to produce: .293/.373/.580, nine homers, seven steals in eight attempts. If you're worried about the risk associated with this kid, then by all means leave him for me. I'll take him.

    Lawrie went 27/20 across two levels last year in just 112 games, reaching base at an excellent clip. I won't be surprised if he delivers something close to a 30/30 season in 2012. It's tough not to like Toronto's lineup, and the home park is friendly. I'll gladly reach for a player ahead of his ADP if the skill-set and team context looks like Lawrie's.

    Of course A-Rod will do his hitting in a better lineup this season, in an incredibly friendly park. He gets the edge if we're only talking about surroundings. But let's also remember that Rodriguez turns 37 in July, he hasn't delivered a .280 average since 2009, he's no longer a threat to run (four steals in 2011, four in 2010), and he's spent time on the disabled list in each of the past four seasons. It was a meniscus tear last year, a calf injury the season before, a hip issue in '09, and a quad in '08. It's always something. He's an aging player with his best years (and his healthiest years) behind him. There's little doubt he can still be a useful fantasy commodity, but A-Rod is no longer a horse. Um...so to speak.

    Alex Rodriguez (US Presswire)

    Pianowski responds: I understand that I'm probably set up to fail with this Rodriguez defense. Every non-Yankee fan seems to hate the guy, for one thing. Rodriguez has been around long enough to get on everyone's nerves. Lawrie is the fresh kid on the scene, the newborn puppy you get on Christmas morning.

    Rodriguez is clearly in his twillight years, we all see that, but careers don't always decline in a linear fashion. He was a monster in 2011's first half, posting a tasty .295-53-13-52-4 line, elite numbers. A troublesome knee problem took over in the second half and Rodriguez was a washout down the stretch, fine. It doesn't mean he can't have a strong 2012 season. Early rehab reports have been positive.

    Okay, I can't be that vague about A-Rod's health: we've got an issue to discuss. Rodriguez headed to Germany in late December to have an experimental procedure done on his knee. I know, sounds dicey — leaving the country for an experiment. But the Orthokine treatment was recommended by A-Rod's pal Kobe Bryant (who had it done a few months ago), and we can all see Kobe's current stats are terrific. Here's to science.

    There's a solid lineup in the YYZ, but The Bronx is the safest place to invest — the Bombers ranked second, first and first in MLB runs over the last three seasons. For all of Lawrie's glittering skills and rookie stats, he's played all of 43 games in the show. Remember how Buster Posey, Jason Heyward and Brian Matusz ruined your life last year? Do you remember Chris Coghlan and Andrew Bailey regressing after winning 2009 hardware? Be careful when it comes to pricing in improvement with those buzzy sophomores. (I know, I know, this is a recording.)

    Sometimes the boring vet is the way to go. Alex Rodriguez, the devil you know.

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    27 comments

    • j_n_16  •  Halifax, Nova Scotia  •  2 months ago
      Posey got injured. Not exactly your typical sophomore slump.
    • Kenneth  •  Livingston, United States  •  2 months ago
      Hmmmm, who to pick the aging roid raging Arod or the young canadien sophmore efforts of lawrie. Look yanks fans I'm a mets guy and we know the difference between the real thing in david wright and the money grubbing over the hill Arod. Pick lawrie, don't be stupid, hell pick pablo over him, you'll do just fine
    • Matt  •  Toronto, Ontario  •  2 months ago
      Bautista and Lawrie give Toronto a legit tandem to cheer for. Last thing even close to that is McGrady and Carter.
    • Jamie A. Brennan  •  Unity, United States  •  2 months ago
      Playing in a keeper league, i have to take Lawrie, I am looking minimum production 80-20-80-20-.280 for the next five to seven or more at third base, barring a major injury, gotta give the edge to the guy that will help for years to come.
    • Matt0330  •  2 months ago
      This one is close for me. I'm pretty optimistic on Brett Lawrie who passes the eyeball test in spades (I've got him ranked just above Ryan Zimmerman & just below David Wright actually) & I think that one has to go for upside when two players profile somewhat similarly. I agree with Scott P.'s contention that Alex Rodriguez has a fairly safe floor & agree that he is smack in the middle of a friendly environment, but playing it safe doesn't always yield big rewards. I'd go Lawrie here if both were the top available options in a vacuum.

      ..& Fitzy blasts through the fourth wall. Congratulations.
    • Salpot  •  2 months ago
      The difference is Lawrie is a legit prospect. Just you watch! Did you see him last season? The guy was beastin' in his first ten games.
    • Admiral Cowpollock  •  2 months ago
      Which comes first, IRS tax deadline day or A-Rod's first trip to the DL? I'm going with Lawrie.
    • Tomnan The Destroyer  •  Orange, United States  •  2 months ago
      OK, keeper help. I'm in a 12 team, mixed keeper league. We get five keepers, with one having to be a pitcher. Four of my guys are a lock (Tulo, Cargo, Pedroia, Lincecum) but I'm really struggling on my fifth. For the past couple of years I have been keeping McCann, as he is solid production from an inconsistent position. But, last year, I picked up Lawrie and Hosmer. So who should I keep: McCann, Lawrie, or Hosmer?
      • tonyarob 2 months ago
        Lawrie. He and Hosmer may end up with equal stats this year but those stats will look better coming from a player playing a premium position. Forget about McCann.
    • P. Dub  •  Toronto, Ontario  •  2 months ago
      i can see A Rod tearing out the gates in April and May, perhaps Lawrie struggling with the bat a bit early on, but still stealing bags and contributing.........and there's still no way in hell a smart Lawrie owner would trade him for A Rod at that point. A Rod will be on the DL in the 2nd half when you need him, Lawrie will be peaking. Don't bet on a healthy 38 year old A Rod this year. Over under is 105 games.
      • Graeme 2 months ago
        20HR,20SB,85R,85RBI,280 is the floor for Lawrie.
      • T-Ray 2 months ago
        Agreed... since A Rod will not be a 38 year old this year. He's turning 37 in July.
    • God of Wine  •  McHenry, United States  •  2 months ago
      Any one remember last year when Pedro Alvarez was supposed to be a stud rookie 3B... how did that work out. I'll take Moustakas several rounds later and get the same risk/reward of a young player as Lawrie.
    • AG D  •  Pittsburg, United States  •  2 months ago
      And you put Posey in the same sentence as Heyward and Matusz because? Getting Injured and straight playing like garbage is two different things.
      • Adam 2 months ago
        You think Heyward and Matusz weren't injured last year? Think again.
      • AG D 2 months ago
        Think again kid. Playing like garbage and then blaming it on injuries, like Heyward and Matusz, is still playing like garbage. Excuses are still excuses.

        Posey got hurt, the other two belonged in AA.
    • Shea D  •  Des Moines, United States  •  2 months ago
      The answer comes down to something one cannot predict: injuries. They've both suffered injuries in the past. ARod is older and will be slower to heal, but Lawrie is young talent who the Blue Jays will be careful with. As for production, if they both stay healthy, ARod is the safer bet even though Lawrie will give you streaks of production ARod won't. But that is a big IF and this comparison will come down to who plays more games in 2012.
    • Brian P  •  2 months ago
      I thought this argument was crazy until I double-checked my own prerankings in two different leagues. Yep, I have Lawrie a few spots above A-Rod in both, and that's because I moved him up there. It makes sense if you look at an entire draft or a projected draft.
    • dagoldeneagle  •  2 months ago
      This shouldn't even be a debate. One guy is one of the greatest players of all-time. The other guy got 40 games major league experience. It's not even close. If Ken Griffey Jr. could come back and have a huge season in his late 30s after getting hurt and not being relevant for pretty much 7 years (some other examples Chipper Jones' batting title in 2008, Frank Thomas' big season in 2006, Lance Berkman last year), then A-Rod certainly got at least a few big seasons left in him.
      • Adam 2 months ago
        Actually, it IS a debate. I understand where you're coming from, however, it's no guarantee that A-Rod will be healthy enough to play 140+ games this season...the last time A-Rod played in that many games was 2007...and yes, I understand that while others have come back from injury plagued seasons and been productive late in their careers, it certainly is no guarantee...with all of that said, I do think A-Rod will have a good year this a year, a bounce-back season if you will...but, I think Lawrie still out-produces him this year as well...
      • dagoldeneagle 2 months ago
        Don't get me wrong, I love Lawrie. He's one of the only young players I'm sold on plus he's a local kid where I'm from (he's from Langley which is part of Greater Vancouver) so I'm certainly rooting for him. But I would take A-Rod over him out of principle. If A-Rod ended up with 30 homers 100 RBIs this year, I would kill myself if I passed him for Lawrie on draft day.
    • Grampa  •  2 months ago
      Good thing the Jays don't have "Eh-Roid"!
    • Manpreet  •  Mississauga, Ontario  •  2 months ago
      LAWRIE FTW
    • TedBell  •  San Francisco, United States  •  2 months ago
      Some guy conned me out of Rube Walker. Rube Walker, man. I got conned out.
    • Graeme  •  Halifax, Nova Scotia  •  2 months ago
      Brett Lawrie rookie #'s:150AB,26R,9HR25RBI,7SB,293AVG.

      David Wright rookie #'s:263AB,41R,14HR,41RBI,6SB,293AVG.

      David Wrights 2nd season:575AB,99R,27HR,102RBI,17SB,307AVG.
      • Graeme 2 months ago
        both were 22 yr old rookies.
      • P. Dub 2 months ago
        hey bear, how is halifax?
      • Graeme 2 months ago
        haha its sweet
    • Fitzy  •  2 months ago
      Best Spin Doctors tune: "Two Princes," or "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong?"
    • Matthew  •  Winnipeg, Manitoba  •  2 months ago
      Brett Lawrie's got such a following in Toronto as a Red Bull-chugging tattooed homer-swatting half-man half-myth, he's got his own Chuck Norris-style "Brett Lawrie Facts" website. (Although right now they're doing Buck Martinez Week posting boring facts in the style of Buck Martinez, there's gold if you read the earlier ones)

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